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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Pache is FAR more "available" in trades than Riley. Ender is signed through 2022 when Waters would be ready, and some services already are ranking Waters higher than Pache. There's not another 3B in the system behind Riley until you get to C. J. Alexander, and he's likely not going to be good enough defensively to stick over there.

    If you trade Riley, you may well have no choice other than to spend big money on Donaldson next winter - Arenado may be close to an extension to stay in Colorado, and the Gnats will probably extend Rendon (possibly even if they bring Harper back, but almost definitely if they don't). That leaves you with Camargo (who AA apparently doesn't believe in as an everyday 3B) and Donaldson next winter if Riley's in Miami (or elsewhere).
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
    Are you related to Pache somehow??? You're the only person on this planet that has EVER compared him to Mookie Betts.
    Waters is intersting too. Would prefer a guy that projects to more power though. (2017 Draft Thread)

    If they don't make additions they can expect the same 3-5 win improvement they saw last year. That makes the Braves a 75-78 win team. (What's the best we could hope for in 2018?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by tululush View Post
    You’re nuts. Pache is a much better prospect that Riley.
    There is significant disagreement on this isssue. Personally, I have Pache as the better prospect. But I don't think he's so good that someone couldn't reasonably put Riley above him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
    I love Pache, but there is approximately a 0.001% chance that he turns into a player as good as Mookie Betts. He's not Ronald.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
    this is the one and only time pache will ever be compared to a potential mookie betts. pache has a better shot of never putting up a total career WAR equal to Betts’ season last year than he does of being mookie betts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Are you related to Pache somehow??? You're the only person on this planet that has EVER compared him to Mookie Betts.
    No and technically I said COULD be. There was a time when nobody even knew who Ronald Acuña was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    I love Pache, but there is approximately a 0.001% chance that he turns into a player as good as Mookie Betts. He's not Ronald.
    I'm being misunderstood. I'm just saying trading Pache could be foolish and extremely shortsighted for two years of JTR and could be the Adam Wainwright trade mistake of position players.

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    Any new Bud Norris rumors?

    I hear its 36% chance to the Braves, 24% chance to the Rangers and 50% chance to a mystery team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
    Pache is a great prospect because he's an elite defender with 70 grade speed. If he were merely a good defender with above average speed, no one would know his name.

    In other words, he ain't Betts. If he became Billy Hamilton, we should consider ourselves lucky. Best case scenario for Pache is Lorenzo Cain, but even that is in the 1 percent range at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Any new Bud Norris rumors?

    I hear its 36% chance to the Braves, 24% chance to the Rangers and 50% chance to a mystery team.
    someone please check my math
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    someone please check my math
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    That could end up being the equivalent of trading Mookie Betts for two years of Tucker Barnhart in the long term. We have plenty of time and different trade scenarios to worry about the future of 3B beyond this season.
    I think you just described the current best offensive catcher in the majors as Tucker Barnhart and someone that’s been an unimpressive hitter in the low minors as Mookie Betts.

    People are insane about prospects: exhibit 145.

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    I'd personally rather trade Riley than Anderson or Pache. I have somewhat of a bias towards plus defenders, so that influences my view of Pache > Riley. The Anderson spin rate concerns are a legit worry, but he is still a really nice prospect even with that priced in.

    The Braves have big time organizational depth concerns at the mid to low levels of the minors. As a result, I think they should be very reluctant to trade the top guys at the A / AA level that still have multiple years before they need to be protected on the 40-man: Anderson, Waters, Contreras. They are much better positioned to trade pitching from the MLB / AAA level. Newcomb, Fried, Wilson, and Allard wold be the arms I'd be most willing to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    this is the one and only time pache will ever be compared to a potential mookie betts. pache has a better shot of never putting up a total career WAR equal to Betts’ season last year than he does of being mookie betts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Pache is a great prospect because he's an elite defender with 70 grade speed. If he were merely a good defender with above average speed, no one would know his name.

    In other words, he ain't Betts. If he became Billy Hamilton, we should consider ourselves lucky. Best case scenario for Pache is Lorenzo Cain, but even that is in the 1 percent range at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think you just described the current best offensive catcher in the majors as Tucker Barnhart and someone that’s been an unimpressive hitter in the low minors as Mookie Betts.

    People are insane about prospects: exhibit 145.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    I'm being misunderstood. I'm just saying trading Pache could be foolish and extremely shortsighted for two years of JTR and could be the Adam Wainwright trade mistake of position players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    someone please check my math
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Pache is a great prospect because he's an elite defender with 70 grade speed. If he were merely a good defender with above average speed, no one would know his name.

    In other words, he ain't Betts. If he became Billy Hamilton, we should consider ourselves lucky. Best case scenario for Pache is Lorenzo Cain, but even that is in the 1 percent range at this point.
    If he becomes Hamilton, I’ll be highly pissed he wasn’t traded before now. Dude is hot garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    No and technically I said COULD be. There was a time when nobody even knew who Ronald Acuña was.
    By the time Acuna was Pache’s age, everyone knew who he was.

    However, yes, it’s logical to be hesitant to trade 6 years of Pache for 2 years of JTR. That’s why it’s likely fair value.

    I never pretend to be some couch warrior amateur scout, so I have no opinion on Pache other than what I’ve read, but his value matches up pretty well as the centerpiece for JTR.
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    Anyone else a little thrown off my Mishs’ comments. He has talked Riley and Anderson all winter to the point where it sounded like at least Riley had been offered... now he is saying neither has been offered or the deal would have been done by now...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    apparently 90% of the baseball prospect writers are crazy, then.
    Not 90% but there are some I absolutely don't trust like Keith Law after he said Simba had absolutely no power and Simba proceeded to hit 17 home runs that coming season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Anyone else a little thrown off my Mishs’ comments. He has talked Riley and Anderson all winter to the point where it sounded like at least Riley had been offered... now he is saying neither has been offered or the deal would have been done by now...?
    that's called a backpedal...a very useful life skill
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