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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    It's not a good idea because it removes a lot of the strategy that makes the NL so much more fun to watch.
    Know how to tell someone is a moron?

    They think sending up a PH for the pitcher qualifies as "strategy" haha.

    News flash: even with the DH teams can still employ strategy with platoon advantages, pinch runners, and defensive replacements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Yes, casual fans who don't know anything about baseball love having another hitter to watch.

    Intelligent fans don't want a DH because it dumbs down the game.

    ESPN is going through the process of understanding what it's like to dumb things down... hence the birth of the Athletic.
    LOL...just...LOL

    Wisdom coming from our very own sales engineer everyone!!
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    If the DH happens, then the signings of Markakis/McCann/Donaldson make alot more sense.

    Can rotate them in/out of the DH spot, and give Camargo more time in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    If the DH happens, then the signings of Markakis/McCann/Donaldson make alot more sense.

    Can rotate them in/out of the DH spot, and give Camargo more time in the field.
    Not to mention more consistent AB's for Duvall. He may be the bat that benefits the most from the DH in the NL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    If the DH happens, then the signings of Markakis/McCann/Donaldson make alot more sense.

    Can rotate them in/out of the DH spot, and give Camargo more time in the field.
    It also makes it much more likely the Braves can carry all 3 of JTR, Flowers and Mac.

    The Braves, and most NL teams, will be scurrying to sign the higher quality bats left on the market as well...which is why the MLBPA is all for doing it now.
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    Fried, Newk and a couple other guys for Bumgarner and give him a pay day for 6ish years -CrazyTrain 10/15/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Still better than watching some fat, unathletic asshole come up there to hack a few times a game and do literally nothing else of value. The DH is terrible.
    What if he's a nice guy though?

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    I hate the idea of the DH

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    How smart do the reds look for getting KeMVP
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    How smart do the reds look for getting KeMVP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Know how to tell someone is a moron?

    They think sending up a PH for the pitcher qualifies as "strategy" haha.

    News flash: even with the DH teams can still employ strategy with platoon advantages, pinch runners, and defensive replacements.
    Plus if the three batter minimum rule gets implemented then strategy would be increased overall. I was a long opponent of the DH in the NL but Iíve come around. I still hate the no pitch intentional walk. Lol

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    Listening to MLB network on Sirius most of the hosts on there yesterday feel like itís more likely in 2020 than this year. The felt like owners would need a full year and off season to structure their teams.

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    I don't like the DH cause it isn't real baseball. This is the MLB, not Dizzy Dean. Players should have to actually play a position and pitchers should have to hit. I don't care if you don't like watching pitchers hit or Adam Dunn types play defense. I do enjoy it. And plenty of people agree with me.

    Also, implenting the DH means we can't drill Urena in the ear hole for the punk ass **** he pulled on Acuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    Plus if the three batter minimum rule gets implemented then strategy would be increased overall. I was a long opponent of the DH in the NL but I’ve come around. I still hate the no pitch intentional walk. Lol
    I would argue there is more strategy involved in implementing a medium term DH schedule based on rest and platoon match ups than deciding when to send in a PH for the pitcher.

    The vast majority of the time the move to PH for the pitcher is so blatantly obvious only the slowest of fans would call it strategy. I think those fans are typically employed as salesmen, and call themselves sales engineers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I don't like the DH cause it isn't real baseball. This is the MLB, not Dizzy Dean. Players should have to actually play a position and pitchers should have to hit. I don't care if you don't like watching pitchers hit or Adam Dunn types play defense. I do enjoy it. And plenty of people agree with me.

    Also, implenting the DH means we can't drill Urena in the ear hole for the punk ass **** he pulled on Acuna.
    Finally, an argument for pitchers hitting that actually holds logical merit.

    One of the fundamental aspects of baseball is that each player must be able to play a defensive position as well as take his turn batting. The decision to sacrifice offense for defense is key to line up construction strategy. It is logically sound to argue no position on the field should be exempt from this fundamental rule of baseball.

    The slippery slope arguments that typically follow this point, or the moronic arguments about strategy aren't as sound (at all) as the point in bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Ahh, the good old slippery slope logical fallacy!

    I was wondering when it would make an appearance haha.
    Not exactly. I'm not saying allowing the DH now will lead to 9 DH spots. That's absurd.

    I'm using a reductio ad absurdum. I took the argument that a DH allows a team to rest their best hitters and keep them fresh to it's extreme to illustrate a flaw in the argument.

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    The universal DH should happen. It gives the AL an inherent advantage in inter league play in AL parks. As well as being able to rotate players through the DH effectively giving them days off without losing their bats in the lineup.

    It needs to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Not exactly. I'm not saying allowing the DH now will lead to 9 DH spots. That's absurd.

    I'm using a reductio ad absurdum. I took the argument that a DH allows a team to rest their best hitters and keep them fresh to it's extreme to illustrate a flaw in the argument.
    Right...

    By your logic they should just cut the roster size down to 9 and force every single player to play every single position for at least 1 whole inning. I'm so sick of guys who can only play SS, or only play C, or only pitch, and still be able to win the MVP. All players should have equal amounts of all 5 tools, not just the tools needed for a particular position on the field.

    I want to see games where every player is competent at every single position and every single aspect of the game. I want to see the best "baseball players", not the best SS, CF, C, pitcher, etc.

    See how stupid and pointless logical fallacies are in debate? It's easy to knock down the absurd straw man you just created, and adds nothing to the debate logically.
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    Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us -CrazyTrain 11/20/2018
    BB/9 with Braves: 2.72

    Fried, Newk and a couple other guys for Bumgarner and give him a pay day for 6ish years -CrazyTrain 10/15/18

    Matt Adams to the Tampa Bay Rays for Jake Odorizzi makes too much sense not to happen -clvclv 10/17/17
    Matt Adams non-tendered by Braves 12/2/17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I would argue there is more strategy involved in implementing a medium term DH schedule based on rest and platoon match ups than deciding when to send in a PH for the pitcher.

    The vast majority of the time the move to PH for the pitcher is so blatantly obvious only the slowest of fans would call it strategy. I think those fans are typically employed as salesmen, and call themselves sales engineers.
    I wasnít arguing against the DH. In regard to the increased strategy, I was referring to the proposed three batter minimum rule for all pitchers in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maddux_cy's View Post
    I wasn’t arguing against the DH. In regard to the increased strategy, I was referring to the proposed three batter minimum rule for all pitchers in the game.
    I was adding to your point, not disagreeing with you.

    I should have written "I would also add there more strategy involved...."
    Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us -CrazyTrain 11/20/2018
    BB/9 with Braves: 2.72

    Fried, Newk and a couple other guys for Bumgarner and give him a pay day for 6ish years -CrazyTrain 10/15/18

    Matt Adams to the Tampa Bay Rays for Jake Odorizzi makes too much sense not to happen -clvclv 10/17/17
    Matt Adams non-tendered by Braves 12/2/17

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