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    I would love to have Kimbrel back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    I would love to have Kimbrel back.
    Strengthening the bullpen is certainly a great way to help a young rotation. Having the depth to allow starters to only need to go 5 or 6 innings most nights would be a big boost. I'd love him back, and would even go out to 4/48 or 4/52 for him

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    Me too, but not on a deal that would strap us in the future. It would have to be a 1 year deal or something extemely below market.

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    We could structure a 3 year deal where the AAV would end up around 15M and allow us to get him fairly cheaply in 2019.

    Say 10M in 2019, 18M in 2020 and 17M in 2021.

    We can do it this way because we have bunch of contracts coming off the books after this season.
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    Kimbrel R
    Viz R
    Minter L
    O Day R
    Venters L
    Sobotka R
    Freeman L

    That's a strong pen

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    We could structure a 3 year deal where the AAV would end up around 15M and allow us to get him fairly cheaply in 2019.

    Say 10M in 2019, 18M in 2020 and 17M in 2021.

    We can do it this way because we have bunch of contracts coming off the books after this season.
    I think it would be a better structure for us if he made the most in 2019 and it went down from there. Man, pulling off a decent trade around Teheran would be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    We could structure a 3 year deal where the AAV would end up around 15M and allow us to get him fairly cheaply in 2019.

    Say 10M in 2019, 18M in 2020 and 17M in 2021.

    We can do it this way because we have bunch of contracts coming off the books after this season.
    Kimbrel started the offseason trying to beat Jansenís 5/80 contract. That probably isnít happening. A 5 year deal for a declining BP arm in his 30s simply isnít realistic anymore.

    Next up is beating the $17.3M AAV of the 3/52 deal signed by Wade Davis. Kimbrel may not get 3 years, but he probably isnít taking something like $12M-$15M per year.

    Right now, I expect Kimbrel to lower his ask in years and sign something like 2/35 with a 3rd year option, or maybe a straight increase of the Davis deal...3/53+.

    If the Braves couldnít afford 2/36 for Brantley before giving Markakis $6M, they certainly canít afford to give Kimbrel that kind of cash now after signing Markakis.
    Last edited by Enscheff; 02-10-2019 at 02:02 PM.

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    We are not signing anyone with a QO. The great plan for this year is to upgrade at the break instead of the offseason.
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    AA doesn’t have the balls to sign Kimbrel
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If this were the case, wouldn't camargo be your starting 3b?
    You still need to attract fans to the park to keep revenues up so you have to compete. JD helps us compete.

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    If so, that would draw a lifetime ban like Coppy got. Totally unethical.

    I was enthusiastic about AA being the GM at 1st, but the longer he serves, the more I loose faith in him as the GM the Braves need for moving forward and build a long term, highly competitive team capable of being in and winning the WS.

    Also, I don't buy into anything Bowman says. His credibility is more than highly questionable. Has he broken any stories this year that have have come to being? I wouldn't even trust an article by him on where the best hot dogs can be found.
    It's not unethical at all. Bonus structures based on profits are common in any industry. I don't doubt many execs around the game get bonuses based on profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I think we're gonna throw some money at a starter. What's Dallas likely to get? I wouldn't mind getting him
    What a waste of money that would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    You still need to attract fans to the park to keep revenues up so you have to compete. JD helps us compete.



    It's not unethical at all. Bonus structures based on profits are common in any industry. I don't doubt many execs around the game get bonuses based on profits.
    Rather contradictory!! Need fans to keep revenues up but lower payroll to raise profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
    Rather contradictory!! Need fans to keep revenues up but lower payroll to raise profits.
    not really...there is a marginal cost curve and a marginal revenue curve...and you maximize profits at the point the two intersect...i'm sure the Braves have a handle on this...micro 101
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    What a waste of money that would be
    Well that's your opinion. DK is projected at 3+ wins... none or our current starters come close to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Well that's your opinion. DK is projected at 3+ wins... none or our current starters come close to that
    Folty is projected at 2.7 by Steamer and I would wager he will shatter that if he's healthy considering he hit 3.9 last year. Gausman will be close to 3 wins. Then you have the X factors who are not going to be projected correctly.... if Soroka stays healthy I think he easily hits 3 wins and the one everyone is forgetting about... Gohara... best raw stuff probably. Sounds like he's lost a ton of weight and he's year out of being a 20 year old who lost his dad and almost lost his mom... a lot of people are forgetting about Gohara but I think he is going to be a beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If this were the case, wouldn't camargo be your starting 3b?
    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
    If so, that would draw a lifetime ban like Coppy got. Totally unethical.

    I was enthusiastic about AA being the GM at 1st, but the longer he serves, the more I loose faith in him as the GM the Braves need for moving forward and build a long term, highly competitive team capable of being in and winning the WS.

    Also, I don't buy into anything Bowman says. His credibility is more than highly questionable. Has he broken any stories this year that have have come to being? I wouldn't even trust an article by him on where the best hot dogs can be found.
    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
    Rather contradictory!! Need fans to keep revenues up but lower payroll to raise profits.
    Not contradictory at all. The team has to be interesting to keep revenue up. But once you hit a certain point, there's diminishing returns. Once you're competing, making the team better isn't going to generate much more interest. You'll be spending money for no return.

    You're shooting for a sweet spot. It's the same as you do in lots of things in business.

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    Braves fans should be experts on a team spending more money than is needed to generate interest.

    Remember all those empty seats for playoff games when the Braves had one of the highest payrolls in the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Folty is projected at 2.7 by Steamer and I would wager he will shatter that if he's healthy considering he hit 3.9 last year. Gausman will be close to 3 wins. Then you have the X factors who are not going to be projected correctly.... if Soroka stays healthy I think he easily hits 3 wins and the one everyone is forgetting about... Gohara... best raw stuff probably. Sounds like he's lost a ton of weight and he's year out of being a 20 year old who lost his dad and almost lost his mom... a lot of people are forgetting about Gohara but I think he is going to be a beast
    I think its kinda futile to try to guess which of our pitchers will have successful years next year, outside of Folty and Gausman. I think that there are no less than 8-9 other guys who could have ~3 win seasons if they got 30 or more starts, but predicting which ones will do it is tough. Collectively, I think we have a good shot of having 2-3 guys pull it off. I guess if I had to make a bet, it'd be Touki, Soroka, and Gohara that do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Kimbrel for $12M sounds likely to anyone else?
    Iíd guess thatís about right and I think it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    I think its kinda futile to try to guess which of our pitchers will have successful years next year, outside of Folty and Gausman. I think that there are no less than 8-9 other guys who could have ~3 win seasons if they got 30 or more starts, but predicting which ones will do it is tough. Collectively, I think we have a good shot of having 2-3 guys pull it off. I guess if I had to make a bet, it'd be Touki, Soroka, and Gohara that do it.
    A factor to go against an individual performer would be that we have so many options I believe there will be a lot of DL/Minor league stints for guys to rest up and monitor innings.

    Would I be shocked if ~9 guys get 50+ starters innings? Probably not...
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