Braves would lose their 2nd round pick if they signed a FA with a QO offer, yeah no.
And the ones wanting to go cheap at C, you get what you pay for.
Braves would lose their 2nd round pick if they signed a FA with a QO offer, yeah no.
And the ones wanting to go cheap at C, you get what you pay for.
Yeah this is important to consider. Where is out 2nd round pick? I'd guess in the 55 range? Isn't that pick usually worth in the range of 5-10 million in surplus value? That doesn't seem like something I'd be too concerned with losing, considering that Realmuto will cost up north of 70 million in SV and I don't consider him to be THAT much more valuable than Grandal.
Well, it depends on how you want to look at it. To upgrade catcher we are going to have to sacrifice picks or prospects, unless we go with Ramos. Maybe that consideration makes you lean towards Ramos. But if you're dead set on Realmuto or dead set on Grandal, you're gonna lose some future value either way. In my estimation, you'd lose far less (in terms of farm system surplus value) in sacrificing a 2nd round draft pick than you would trading what it would take to get Realmuto. But if you're a person who wants to hold on to that value, then Ramos or a lesser acquisition becomes more desirable.
Jaw (11-16-2018), jpx7 (11-15-2018), salmagundy (11-15-2018)
Right, but what he is saying is that you should have some cognitive dissonance about this. You're unwilling to lose a second round pick to acquire Grandal, but you're willing to give up 7-10x that pick's value in order to acquire Realmuto. A player who definitely isn't THAT much better than Grandal.
By the way, you could make the same argument you're making about draft picks. "Well, contending teams don't give a crap about QOs or draft picks if that is the only thing in their way of a big move. Who cares about a 2nd round pick if you're signing a big free agent?"
Jaw (11-16-2018), jpx7 (11-15-2018), salmagundy (11-15-2018)
Pick 55 right now, but it could move a bit by draft day depending on where QO FAs end up. Either way, that's typically a FV40/40+ prospect. According to this:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/putt...e-the-top-100/
those prospects carry a surplus value anywhere from $1M-$4M.
Being generous and giving that prospect a $5M value is real value, and will definitely be factored into the acquisition cost of Grandal. However, let's refrain from acting like losing the ~55th pick in the 2019 draft is some non-starter for the Braves signing a FA.
The question comes down to:
1. $60M-$80M in salary plus $5M in prospect capital for 4/5 years of Grandal
2. $60M+ in prospect capital plus $20M in salary for 2 years of Realmuto
The choice seems pretty obvious to me if those numbers are at all accurate.
Last edited by Enscheff; 11-15-2018 at 05:12 PM.
Garmel (11-15-2018), jpx7 (11-15-2018), salmagundy (11-15-2018)
If we trade for Realmuto we have him for at least 2yrs. Grandal or Ramos for as long as we want and can wait until Contreras is ready. I'm for keeping our prospects but would like to sign Brantley,Pollack or McCutchen.
How about Ender and Swanson for Schwarber and Happ. Move Ozzie to SS and sign Dozier or Marwin Gonzalez to 2B. Sign Grandal or Ramos for Catcher.
Seems to me that those arguing against 4-5 years of Grandal because Contreras will be ready in 2 years are holding a paper bag of water, IMO. The prospect value of the 2nd round pick(5 mil value) is not even a real consideration when signing Grandal. They are forgetting that Flowers could/should be gone in 2 years when Contreras is ready. The extra 2-3 years of Grandal to mentor Contreras is very valuable IMO.
As has been stated, giving up 60 mil in prospects value plus 20 mil salary for 2 years for Realmuto is not in the the best interests of keeping a competitive team for PS plus the Braves would be right back in the same place they are now in 2 years.
Sign Grandal for 4 years with 5th year option, use the prospect value to sign a TOR pitcher and or cOF.
Jaw (11-16-2018)
So do the braves lose the second round pick or third round pick. CBA says third highest pick. But we now have 2 1st round pick. Is the one from last year exempt?
Assuming we sign a qualifying FA of course.
Coppy