If the Mariners do that deal then they're stupid. I don't know what their front office is thinking. Paxton should have drawn way more and Segura (a 28 year old 4 WAR SS) on his own should draw a pretty elite return. Myers is a pretty mediocre player with a terrible contract.
I wouldnt be against the Braves getting in on Segura. On a pretty good contract, 14.8 mil the next 4 years and a 17 mil option for 2023. But Myers for Leake/Segura would be a fleece for the Padres.
Segura on his own should be able to lure in at least one top 50 guy or a 60FV guy and another top 100 and more. He has good value.
Julio and Dansby for Segura and Leake? I think that's better than the deal the Pads are offering.
jpx7 (11-21-2018)
dump Leake's contract to take on Myers'? I just don't get it.
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Was thinking one better - Julio and Dansby for Segura alone to get out from under Julio's money. Then trade for Carrasco/Kluber.Originally Posted by striker42
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He can hit and play multiple positions. His defense is why he’s not an everyday player. He’s got value as a bench piece though, so it’s surprising the Marlins went the DFA route.
jpx7 (11-21-2018)
The Ms are trying to clear money - Myers' and Segura are roughly a wash in total $$$, so being able to unload what they owe Leake would certainly be nice since it looks like they've punted 2019.
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they would be better off trying to sell segura (would be easy) and leake alone rather than taking back a bad contract. trading both of those guys wouldn't be that difficult.
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Given its San Diego and the Mariners and there is a seeming imbalance, I’d guess the reason the deal isn’t done is a question of a Padres prospect or surplus young mlb-er or two?
There was a report saying a deal was not close after the initial flurry of talk.
clvclv (11-21-2018)
They might see Myers as a positive and maybe they’re also talking about money offset.
There is something extra on Padres side they haven’t agreed upon it would seem.
Padre’s weird Hosmer signing is really looking bad. Not sure they know what they are doing as far as mlb roster is concerned.
The notations to contracts ive seen suggest Leake is only owed 11m by the team holding him with money kicked in from prior trade.
That’s not a horrid number though you’d rather not have it. But that probably fits fine on a team like San Diego.
I think trading Segura now is a good move for Seattle. That’s selling ahead of the decline and they no longer have a great need for his current production. Not sure why they’d tie it to dumping Leake though.
I say this every year and said it last year, Hosmer is a horrible long term play for a 1B.
1B is an area where straight WAR valuation isn't enough IMO because good teams, especially those with limited payroll, really need 1B to be a run producing anchor with power. Hosmer really isn't that and never has been and likely never will be. He's an every other year WAR guy who gets most of his value from his every other year average driven primarily by an every other year surge in BaBip. He doesn't draw a huge amount of walks so his OBP is mostly driven by his average. His defense is a negative and always has been. It was a horrible sign and always was.
i get wanting to trade segura. it makes a ton of sense for them to do it. they could get a nice package of prospects for a guy like that...
..but not if they tie to leake to him. that will get you wil myers, i guess. segura is fairly cheap for his production at a premiuim position.
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The Padres would obviously be sending some more value from their excellent farm system.
Agreed. This deal would have more moving parts. Seattle would be interested in one of their young OF's and could be interested in Hedges as well if he were available.
In a vacuum, sure. Don't forget though, their stated goal is to "retool" without tearing everything down to the studs. If they look at Myers offense offsetting the loss of Segura (not likely, but it's a well-established point that Dipoto doesn't put as much weight in the value charts as the newly-minted GMs), and they slide Cano to DH, they'd then have...
CF- Mallex, LF- Myers, RF- Haniger, 1B- Healy, DH- Cano, 3B- Seager, C- ???, SS- ???, 2B- Gordon
If they used the money they saved on Leake to jump in and sign Ramos to hit between Haniger and Cano, slid Healy down to hit between Cano and Seager, and signed Galvis/Iglesias/Hechavarria on the cheap to play SS that wouldn't be such a bad offense - at least when Myers is healthy.
They'd still be light on the pitching side but if the holdup is which prospect they'd be getting back and it was Chris Paddack, Michael Baez, or Cal Quantrill, he would probably slot into their rotation with Gonzales, Sheffield, LeBlanc, King Felix, Swanson, whomever after the break. If they turned around and traded Diaz to the Braves or someone else for a young rotation piece or two (Wright or Touki for example), they probably wouldn't be awful.
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Syndergaard trade supposedly seriously considered:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...scenarios.html
They want "now" players, which will be hard for any team needing Thor to give up. This means a 3 team trade might be required where a rebuilding team needing prospects is brought in.
Let's say Thor carries a surplus value in the range of $60M, with nearly limitless upside, and the ability to limit total downside by having the ability to non-tender him next year if his arm falls off. He represents the #1 option on the planet to nurse through the regular season and unleash in the playoffs.
The Braves could send Newk to the Mets, send another FV 45/50 prospect to Team 3, and then Team 3 sends an MLB player to the Mets.
Who is that Team 3? Where's Harry when we need him?
Last edited by Enscheff; 11-21-2018 at 12:43 PM.
Definitely one of the few front line starters I'd be serious about
Sounds like they want CF and infield help.... could we do something like a deal centered around Ender and Riley/Camargo plus? That would likely give us enough prospect capital to revamp the outfield and Catcher(especially if we sign one of Cutch or Brantley and Ramos)
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