JohnAdcox (11-30-2018)
This is two of the dumbest teams in baseball trying to do something that looks smart. If the Mariners kick in 60 million dollars in salary while taking on Jay Bruce and Swarzak, they better be getting more prospects than Jared Kelenic and Justin Dunn. Are you seriously about to trade Edwin Diaz, Robinson Cano, and 60 million dollars for two 50 FV prospects and some random reliever? Edit: While ALSO taking on the bad contracts of Bruce and Swarzak. Dipoto has lost his grip on reality.
The details of this trade are baffling.
Last edited by BeanieAntics; 11-30-2018 at 11:19 AM.
UNCBlue012 (11-30-2018)
If the M’s are in fact this dumb. Then we need to find some other bad contracts they have and grab Mitch.
Coppy
Oh gee... I dunno, when he posted an .843 or greater his first two full years in the majors with good peripherals and he finally started to find himself in AA in the Diamondbacks system, maybe you should care because it's called "more evidence to support the argument" i.e., it didn't come out of nowhere and isn't a fluke. Good lord you're an idiot.
What are you exactly trying to argue here? Are you actually trying to suggest Haniger wouldn't be an amazing fit in the lineup?
Super (11-30-2018)
By my calculations the Mariners should be sending the Mets about 30M to equalize things. So yes 60M is a bit much unless I'm missing something.
Doing this trade helps the Mets quite a bit in 2019 and 2020. It will hurt them the last year or two of Cano's contract (2022-2023), but overall it is a win for the Mets.
Last edited by nsacpi; 11-30-2018 at 11:36 AM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Kelenic could easily be a top 20 prospect next year. He's valued a lot higher than where he shows up on lists. He's lower because of his proximity to the majors.
Ok, I'm just going to wait for the shifting seas to equalize because now it doesn't make any sense for the Mariners.
The only thing I'm arguing is that saying "but he was a top draft pick and has a good pedigree" doesn't really mean squat. When you're 28, you are who you are, regardless of where you were drafted. I have no doubts he'd look good in RF, assuming his defense is good enough. If you want to support your argument, use some stats like you did in your first sentence on your second post, don't tell me where he was on a prospect list or where he was drafted.
Per Rosenthal: Talks involving Zack Greinke have revolved around his remaining money owed, also his 15 team no trade list is the following: Orioles, Red Sox, Reds, Rockies, Tigers, Yankees, A's, Padres, Giants, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Angels, Dodgers, Twins, and Phillies.
Get off my lawn!
Prediction: Teheran to the Reds.
If they actually do move Syndergaard to the Padres, they wouldn't necessarily need to. Rather than complicating the deal with the Ms even further in an attempt to get Mallex included (which would have been even more stupid on Dipoto's part), the whispered Syndergaard deal with San Diego might suddenly make sense if the Mutts are still trying to compete now. Rather than moving Bruce to 1B and putting Mallex in CF, they get their CF from San Diego in Margot, along with Hedges and a ready 55 FV SP prospect in Paddack, hope to get by with Smith at 1B (or maybe even add a fairly cheap stopgap there like Matt Adams, Duda, etc. until they call Alonso up), sign another SP and RP in the second-tier to be Diaz' setup guy and use McNeil as their super-sub...
CF- Margot, RF- Nimmo, 2B- Cano, 3B- Frazier, LF- Conforto, C- Hedges, 1B- Smith (Adams/Duda/etc. until they call up Alonso), SS- Rosario
Plawecki, McNeil, Lagares, ??? (with Cespedes back around midseason)
deGrom, Corbin/Keuchel/Happ, Wheeler, Matz, Paddack/Vargas
Diaz, FA RP, Lugo, Gsellman, etc.
Would be pretty crowded in the OF if/when Cespedes gets back, but that's not a terrible problem to have.
Last edited by clvclv; 11-30-2018 at 01:36 PM.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Edwards at FG did a pretty good breakdown of the rumored trade proposal: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/inst...kbuster-trade/
He broke it down into 2 trades as a way of understanding it easier...
1. Cano plus $20M for Bruce and Swarzak
2. Diaz for Jarred Kelenic, Justin Dunn, and Gerson Bautista
Part #1 represents something similar to the the Braves sending Kemp to the Dodgers...it allows the Ms to have money available 2 years from now after Bruce leaves so they can have cash available after their short rebuild. The issue with this part is the dollar amount is unknown, and reports have been as high as $60M...which is insane.
Part #2 represents the "sell the BP arm because rebuilding teams don't need elite BP arms" portion of the deal. Kelenic is a FV 50 guy worth ~$30M, but as a recent #6 pick an argument could be made that some organizations are higher on him than that. Dunn is a FV 45+ worth something around $6M. Bautista is FV 40 filler worth very little. The Mets are sending at most ~$40M in prospect value for 4 cost controlled seasons of an elite 2-3 win BP arm.
The recent Ms moves are an odd mix of long term rebuild and short term retooling. They are all over the place with no apparent overall plan.
The main piece of the return from the Mets is Kelenic, who won't be ready for 3-4 seasons, yet the goal of the dumping Cano is to have money freed up in 2 years. Trading for Mallex was a move to get cheaper while still having a "now" player. The return for Paxton was 2 pitchers who will be ready for MLB action very early in 2019.
Could the Braves beat the offer of Kelenic plus filler for Diaz? Would the Braves want to give up Riley/Waters plus Muller/Wentz? Are the Ms so desperate to move Cano (who wants to be in NY) that nothing else matters?
Last edited by Enscheff; 11-30-2018 at 01:43 PM.
Mariners have traded Alex Colome to the White Sox for Omar Narvaez
Get off my lawn!
Rumored the Phillies are close to acquiring Segura