Jaw (10-17-2018), Tapate50 (10-17-2018), The Chosen One (10-17-2018)
Camargo moving into a super utility role is a good thing for the Braves as it strengthens a bench that was a weakness last season. He can give Donaldson, Swanson, Albies, or Freeman a day off if needed to keep everyone fresh and he is a switch hitter...
A 1 year, prove it deal for Donaldson makes a ton of sense for this team....a 2 year deal still makes some sense, but a 3 year deal would not, unless you plan to trade Riley this offseason...if Donaldson gets hurt during the season, Riley comes up to play 3B if he is hitting well...Riley only played 75 games in AAA and seemed to be streaky, moving up the MLB would be a big adjustment. Not saying he can't do it, but we wouldn't be doing any favors to him if we through him into the fire
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Donaldson is almost certainly going to be playing on a 1 year deal. If the Braves want to move Camargo to a utility role and keep Riley down for another year, Donaldson makes sense for $15M+.
I don't think the Braves are in position to spend that kind of cash on 3B when Camargo and Riley can almost certainly provide ~2 WAR for free, and there are gaping holes in cOF and C. I'm thinking 600+ PAs in AA/AAA without any improvement in his K rate tells us Riley may be just about ready to see what happens at the MLB level...good or bad.
Barring a huge trade involving Riley/Camargo, I'm going to guess Donaldson will be playing elsewhere.
Last edited by Enscheff; 10-17-2018 at 03:10 PM.
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The more I think about adding Donaldson, the more I like the move, on a 1 year deal. It doesn't mortgage the future. You aren't giving up prospect capital to improve the situation. Riley spends more time getting seasoning in AAA to prove that he is ready. The bench is strengthened by Camargo...
We need to add some power this offseason...there is not a ton of if unless you go after Harper or Machado, which we will not be going after them.
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The Braves currently project to produce the following amount of WAR from 3 positions:
cOF: 0 WAR
Catcher: 1-2 WAR
3B: 2-3 WAR
Where would you suggest they invest the most resources?
jpx7 (10-17-2018)
If you make the 3 moves I proposed earlier...
cOF: Peralta; averages 2.5 WAR through his career (net +2 WAR)
C: Ramos; averages 1.5 WAR through his career (right there on current projection)
3B: Donaldson; averages just over 4.5 WAR through his career (on the low end probably gets you 2 or 3 WAR, but 4-5 WAR is not out of the realm of possibility.
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jpx7 (10-18-2018)
A "surer thing" if you're looking to improve in areas that could use significant improvement.
You said it yourself, Donaldson isn't likely to provide a huge upgrade over Camargo/Riley - particularly if you have to sign him for more than 1 year (and we're all aware how deeply it hurt you to agree with me on that point).
We have no clue where the market for very good back-end guys is going this winter since there are so many available and more than a few big contracts blew up in teams' faces after they were signed last winter. There are liable to be several bargains out there this winter, so yes I'd prefer to spend similar money on two-year deals for a pair of guys capable of finally giving us a really deep lockdown-type pen over paying Donaldson for 3 years.
Our pen was ranked 17th according to your precious FanGraphs, and the only team that ranked lower to make the playoffs was the Indians. I have no problem with those intent on avoiding the Kimbrels and Brittons given their likely lofty price tags, but adding two of Familia, Ottavino, Robertson, Herrera, Soria, Doolittle, even Holland (to give you more to senselessly take shots at me with) etc. would go a long way towards improving what was the worst part of the 2018 team. That would also allow you to utilize the Newk/Fried types in that big trade rather than potentially transitioning them to the pen full-time.
Last edited by clvclv; 10-18-2018 at 10:37 AM.
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Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
AA and Snitker have both telegraphed that the pen will be an area they will try to upgrade. I think we will try to sign one of Britton, Robertson or Familia. Not likely we will go for two.
Kimbrel is a pipedream.
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clvclv (10-18-2018)
Adding up the 2019 cost in terms of payroll...
$8M for Peralta, $10M+ for Ramos, $20M for Donaldson.
A total expenditure of $38M+ in 2019 is certainly doable, especially if it pushes Camargo to the bench.
Will the Braves want to spend $20M on 3B and keep Riley down in AAA all year (or until Donaldson breaks)? I'm skeptical they will splurge that kind of money on 3B when viable in house options exist, but it's feasible they aren't sold on Riley/Camargo being the answer...and I'm sure AA loves Donaldson.
MLBTR just posted the market snapshot for the OF...
cOF: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...-outfield.html
CF: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...ter-field.html
I'm guessing the Braves will be looking to add 2 OFs...an everyday player with an impact bat in cOF, and a 4th OFer to compliment the everyday trio. Since Acuna can cover CF when Ender needs a day off, this 4th OFer does not necessarily need to be able to handle CF, but he will probably still need to be a competent defender...like what the Braves thought Duvall was.
Gardner is a more intriguing option than I thought. He would slot in well at the top of the lineup and allow Acuna to move down into the 2-4 slots. His down year offensively appears at first glance to be a product of his .272 BABIP.
Cutch could work. Peralta would work. Brantley would fit. Many options to get that 2-3 win guy.
Last edited by Enscheff; 10-18-2018 at 11:17 AM.
Wouldn't disagree at all, but given the sheer volume of guys out there this winter I'm not going to be surprised if there's not another bargain out there left without a chair when the music stops - one that would really like to play for a contender if he's going to have to take a prove it deal. That's why I could see two additions. Say one of those three costs you ~ $10 million per, picking up another strong option with the money you could save by cutting bait with Freeman, Lindgren, and Ramirez would be a no-brainer for me - especially if AA traded for a replacement corner bat (Peralta?) making less money than Markakis did last season. Then you could let Duvall walk and have that money available to use as well with Culberson and Camargo becoming your extra OFs when Riley comes up.
Last edited by clvclv; 10-18-2018 at 11:29 AM.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Does McCann have anything left in the tank? Think maybe a Julio Teheran for McCann swap could make sense? McCann was bad this year hitting, but he had a .767 ops vs rhp last year. Flowers was good vs lhp. This would allow Astros to pursue grandal. Dallas K and Morton are FAs, so Astros could maybe have a spot for Julio. We'd trade Julio's 2 years for 1 year of McCann. Not sure how McCann's framing is.
Dave Stewart hired me as his assistant, so granted, I'm not good at trade ideas