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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    I actually like Puig better than some of the other names, both in terms of what I expect the cost to be in a trade and offensively. I just have doubts we'll add a player like him to our clubhouse but personally I'd be okay with it if he comes cheap enough in a trade.
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    I think Jon Gray and Desmond would be a decent fit. Buy low pitcher and LF?
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    Are the Rockies even listening to offers on Gray? I haven't heard his name pop up on the rumor mill at all

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    As I've said before, I don't have any interest in Sonny Gray. I'd rather just keep Teheran - he's a 4/5 and we're paying him like one. If nothing else he'll eat innings for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
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    Not concerned about that since Camargo hits them best and will need time in OF, plus Duvall is still here too.
    Last edited by Braves1976; 12-13-2018 at 09:09 PM.

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    And Castellanos can rake. Braves really should think seriously about getting him. Kemp like defense but he sure can hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmore80 View Post
    And Castellanos can rake. Braves really should think seriously about getting him. Kemp like defense but he sure can hit
    Jose Martinez is a better hitter and not as terrible in the field, Castellanos is as bad as it gets in the OF defensively. Plus one doesn't make much money and would cost less in a trade, that is Martinez. Castellanos .811 OPS is not enough to make up for his defense, esp. considering how much he'll make along with cost via trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan Black View Post
    I think Gennett is worth quite a bit more than Teheran though isn't he?
    You'd certainly think so - that was a proposal someone else mentioned earlier, but it's probably not THAT BAD an offer in reality.

    It doesn't line up according to the charts, but what else can Cincinnati hope to get for one year of Gennett? He can't play SS, and we don't know if he can handle 3B or a corner OF spot. He's going to make ~ $11 million in 2019, they need to create a spot for Senzel, and they're all but begging for pitching. A Gennett for Gray swap would make a lot of sense for the Yankees (and more sense than a Julio for Gennett swap for the Reds IMO), but Cashman seems to think he's going to get better value than a year of Gennett for Gray, and the fact that 11 teams have contacted him suggests he's right.

    Given the number of 2Bs available today - Dozier, Harrison, LeMahieu, Murphy, Kinsler, Marwin - for similar AAVs (or less) and the number of teams who currently "need" a 2B, how many teams are lining up to offer a better arm with more control making less money? There's just not much of a market out there for Gennett when you can just go sign comparable players for similar money without it costing you anything more than the money.

    When you consider how bad the state of the Reds' pitching is, Julio would be a substantial upgrade over several Pitchers currently projected to be part of their rotation - that's an indictment of the state of their pitching. It's not a sign that Julio's any great add, simply that he's better than their other current options.
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    I like Scooter if he is available and comes cheap enough. I know he played some RF/LF in '17 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Jose Martinez is a better hitter and not as terrible in the field, Castellanos is as bad as it gets in the OF defensively. Plus one doesn't make much money and would cost less in a trade, that is Martinez. Castellanos .811 OPS is not enough to make up for his defense, esp. considering how much he'll make along with cost via trade.
    I've never seen either one play more than a couple games, but for what it's worth, Castellanos has rated higher in LF than Martinez has. Short sample applies and they both rated very poorly, but I don't know that you can call Martinez any better of a fielder. Still, the difference is probably very small, and their both terrible defenders, so if you're gonna go with one, might as well choose the better hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I've never seen either one play more than a couple games, but for what it's worth, Castellanos has rated higher in LF than Martinez has. Short sample applies and they both rated very poorly, but I don't know that you can call Martinez any better of a fielder. Still, the difference is probably very small, and their both terrible defenders, so if you're gonna go with one, might as well choose the better hitter.
    Even Bowman noted in his latest: "Nicholas Castellanos' bat is intriguing, but Ender Inciarte's tremendous range is not enough to offset the defensive inefficiencies of Castellanos, who ranks as the game's worst outfielder per Statcast™'s Outs Above Average metric."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    Are the Rockies even listening to offers on Gray? I haven't heard his name pop up on the rumor mill at all
    Just like us.... they are likely listening on all kinds of offeee and talks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Even Bowman noted in his latest: "Nicholas Castellanos' bat is intriguing, but Ender Inciarte's tremendous range is not enough to offset the defensive inefficiencies of Castellanos, who ranks as the game's worst outfielder per Statcast™'s Outs Above Average metric."
    Yes, he played RF though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Yes, he played RF though.
    Sure and his range there was awful. Martinez also played RF along with 1B last year.

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    Puig, Acuņa and Ozzie would be fun as hell together
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Gray isn't the only option, just the only one we're really linked to. Porcello is an option. So is Jake Odorizzi. Gio Gonzalez might be available on a 2 year deal as well.
    Gray is a much better option than all the others you mentioned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    As I've said before, I don't have any interest in Sonny Gray. I'd rather just keep Teheran - he's a 4/5 and we're paying him like one. If nothing else he'll eat innings for us
    Gray has much better stuff than Teheran

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Puig, Acuņa and Ozzie would be fun as hell together
    Puig is a 1-2 WAR player... he's not that good and he's a punk

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Gray is a much better option than all the others you mentioned
    How is Gray a much better option thank Porcello or Gio, who have both easily been better than him.

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