"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Yup. We want the flexibility to extent Acuna and Albies. And trading for or not trading for someone on a 3-year deal like Greinke really does not impact upon that. Either way we have the flexibility to pay Acuna and Albies as they get more expensive. The real keys to being able to do that is to have a steady influx of young cheap talent like Contreras, Riley, Waters, Pache and some of the starting pitching prospects currently in the farm system. That will allow us to afford extensions to Acuna and Albies and maybe one or two other significant contracts.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-06-2018 at 10:16 AM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
in all seriousness, it's very possible gohara makes a nice (staying away from "big" or "large") impact as a SP this season. he and anderson have the most upside still for me of all our pitchers. gohara looked damn good in '17.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
I keep coming back to Peralta for the OF and Bauer for the veteran SP. They're both controlled for 2 more years.
i don't think the acquisition cost for peralta will be *that* high. i'd agree that he's the most likely fit when you factor in money, acquisition cost, control, and just general team fit (LHH).
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Peralta has been our most logical OF trade target throughout this off-season. Logical in terms of fitting well into our needs (LHH as you note, cost, years of control). And also logical in terms of being on a team that seems very open to trading just about anyone currently on their roster.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
This would be pretty great. It'd do some damage to our prospect resources, but I'd be happy with that team. I'd guess Ender and Newk would be traded somewhere in those deals.
Acuna CF
Donaldson 3B
Freeman 1B
Peralta LF
Albies 2B
Markakis/Cutch? RF
Mac/Flowers C
Swanson SS
Bauer
Folty
Fried
Gausman
Gohara/Touki
That's a strong team that matches up well with any team in the NL, IMO.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Correct. Bauer will cost a pretty penny in terms of prospect capital. And Peralta alone will cost more than Peralta plus Greinke. I think in evaluating these ideas we need to keep in mind the implications for the prospect pipeline which in turn has implications for our ability to hold on to Acuna and Albies.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I don't pitty AA at all; dude has his work cut out for him. That being said, at some point, we've got to spend prospect capital knowing we're close... and I think we are. Luckily for us, we have two more top 25 picks in this draft to replenish what we could potentially lose.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Exactly. And honestly, if the Snakes would rather have prospects in place of Newk, I'd do that as well, as long as it want a top 10 prospect. Greinke for 3 years is ok. Yes he hamstrings us a bit next off-season, but we also have other pieces we could move to free up some space if needed. We should still have around 20-30 million available next off-season even if we take on Greinke at your suggested rate.
You're advocating making Greinke the highest paid Brave for the next three seasons to save a few prospects. That doesn't make any sense to me.
23m is a large chunk of the payroll and you are spending it on possibly upgrading the back end of the rotation, which is the least defensible place of allocating the Braves resources right now.
I value the next three seasons much more highly than anything that comes after them, because they are the peak contention years. For the window to continue past the point where the Braves are fairly compensating their current young players, they will have to produce more young players who give them somewhat comparable surplus value. It could happen, but I'd wouldn't say it's the most likely outcome.
I can't justify blowing that much money on someone I don't see as having almost any chance of significantly upgrading the Braves contention chances in the short term.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Yes, a three year contract doesn't affect four seasons from now.
It affects the hell out of the next three seasons though.
If Greinke/Peralta cost 30m in 2019, 33m in 2020 and 23m (just Greinke) in 2021, why am I not better off simply signing McCutcheon or Brantley to something like 3/48?
In that scenario I keep my dirt cheap Newcomb to keep or trade, I don't give up any prospects at all, and I have 14m, 17m, 7m to go get a comparable player to Greinke.