Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 41 to 59 of 59

Thread: Market for Catchers

  1. #41
    Arbitration Eligible
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    3,381
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    68
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,171
    Thanked in
    773 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by BravesCountry1 View Post
    From MLBTR chat today with Steve Adams...

    [IMG]<blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="a/LNL9AX1"><a href="//imgur.com/LNL9AX1"></a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/IMG]
    If Grandal really has lost some earning potential based off his postseason results, then we should be all over that. Getting Grandal for less than 70ish million would be a coup for us.

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to BeanieAntics For This Useful Post:

    JohnAdcox (11-01-2018), jpx7 (10-31-2018)

  3. #42
    It's OVER 5,000! zbhargrove's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Bismarck, ND
    Posts
    11,135
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    766
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,672
    Thanked in
    1,967 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I'm going to guess that no competent team is going to let a 34 poor postseason PAs influence their plans at the catcher position.
    Cool... sure seemed to be a head thing to me just watching him though. Discount it if you want... I don't care

  4. #43
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,430
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Even though I think the price for Grandal and Realmuto is likely to be higher than what I would want to pay, there is no harm in checking in on the price. And there is a price at which I would have interest in these guys.

    In the case of Grandal if the price dropped to 3 years and an AAV of 14M, I would be interested.

    In the case of Realmuto, I would offer them a choice of two of Wentz/Muller/Allard.

    In neither case would I expect that to be a winning bid. But you never know.

    I think the Plan A for catcher should be one of Maldonado/Suzuki/McCann/Lucroy to work as a tandem with Flowers. And keep an eye on Cervelli, whether in the off-season or mid-season as Plan B.

    With this sort of approach, we can be patient and benefit from the tendency of free agent prices to drop as spring training nears.
    Last edited by nsacpi; 10-31-2018 at 03:06 PM.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  5. #44
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,679
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    956
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    I’d make one of Rosario, Peralta, or Marte a top priority and then one of Grandal and Realmuto my 2nd. Adding 2 of those guys would make our offense very strong going into spring training.

  6. #45
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,430
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Dbacks might be a place where we can do some one-stop shopping. Peralta and Lamb. Offer Touki and Wentz. See what happens.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  7. #46
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Dbacks might be a place where we can do some one-stop shopping. Peralta and Lamb. Offer Touki and Wentz. See what happens.
    Touki? No way bro!!

  8. #47
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,430
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Touki? No way bro!!
    Just thinking it might be fun to run that one by the Dbacks.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  9. #48
    Lynchburg Prospect
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    457
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    85
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    144
    Thanked in
    86 Posts
    McCanns officially a FA

  10. #49
    NL Rookie of the Year
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    2,469
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    577
    Thanked in
    376 Posts
    When looking at the costs to acquire realmuto and Grandal I'd almost rather resign Zuk, trade Ender, put Acuna in CF for a year, and get 2 corner OF's to upgrade the offense with one being a 1 year rental.

  11. #50
    High School Draftee
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    67
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    19
    Thanked in
    11 Posts
    Atlanta Braves

    Verified account

    @Braves
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    The Atlanta #Braves last night acquired C Raffy Lopez from the San Diego Padres in exchange for cash considerations. The club’s 40-man roster now stands at 36.


    BOOM! Got our guy!

  12. #51
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Even though I think the price for Grandal and Realmuto is likely to be higher than what I would want to pay, there is no harm in checking in on the price. And there is a price at which I would have interest in these guys.

    In the case of Grandal if the price dropped to 3 years and an AAV of 14M, I would be interested.

    In the case of Realmuto, I would offer them a choice of two of Wentz/Muller/Allard.

    In neither case would I expect that to be a winning bid. But you never know.

    I think the Plan A for catcher should be one of Maldonado/Suzuki/McCann/Lucroy to work as a tandem with Flowers. And keep an eye on Cervelli, whether in the off-season or mid-season as Plan B.

    With this sort of approach, we can be patient and benefit from the tendency of free agent prices to drop as spring training nears.
    Those are some pretty low ball offers, but it would be sweet to get a deal like that.

    What about Ramos? To me he is sort of the consolation prize...better defender than JT and a bit less offense than Grandal.

    I'd also like to see some research on how much catchers improve their framing when going to teams with better coaching/analytics. A case could be made that Realmuto only sucks at framing because the Marlins suck at knowing baseball facts.
    Last edited by Enscheff; 11-01-2018 at 12:51 PM.

  13. #52
    NL Rookie of the Year
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    2,469
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    577
    Thanked in
    376 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Those are some pretty low ball offers, but it would be sweet to get a deal like that.

    What about Ramos? To me he is sort of the consolation prize...better defender than JT and a bit less offense than Grandal.
    I think Ramos is the most realistic target. Just worry about those knees

  14. #53
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,430
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Those are some pretty low ball offers, but it would be sweet to get a deal like that.

    What about Ramos? To me he is sort of the consolation prize...better defender than JT and a bit less offense than Grandal.

    I'd also like to see some research on how much catchers improve their framing when going to teams with better coaching/analytics. A case could be made that Realmuto only sucks at framing because the Marlins suck at knowing baseball facts.
    Ramos is hard to peg due to injury history. I wouldn't want to go more than 2 years with him. 2 years AAV of 12M is what I would offer him. Another low ball offer.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  15. #54
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    7,772
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    270
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,491
    Thanked in
    1,150 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Ramos is hard to peg due to injury history. I wouldn't want to go more than 2 years with him. 2 years AAV of 12M is what I would offer him. Another low ball offer.

    Prospectus has Ramos and Realmuto as roughly comparable framers with Realmuto being better overall defender by virtue of advantages elsewhere.

    their offense is perhaps comparable though you might say Realmuto is better bet to perform.

    I've seen Ramos as the possible target all along. Knees make it easier to sit him, no comp pick, ought to be a shorter duration contract and less money than Grandal.

    Unfortunately, I think this will also occur to Washington, Philly, and the rest of the catcher market as well. He has the feel of the guy who everyone sees as the cheaper option who ends up being pricy.

  16. #55
    It's OVER 5,000! Tapate50's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    24,256
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    9,057
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,693
    Thanked in
    3,881 Posts
    Can any of those dudes throw out a runner for Christ sakes? Teams not running on us at will would likely help in some regard.
    Ivermectin Man

  17. #56
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,000
    Thanked in
    6,108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Can any of those dudes throw out a runner for Christ sakes? Teams not running on us at will would likely help in some regard.
    Fans generally over rate blocking and throwing skills by quite a bit.

    According to BP, the best blocking catcher saved his team 3.8 runs. The worst blocking catcher cost his team 4.6 runs. That's a total swing of 8.4 runs.

    The best throwing catcher saved his team 1.1 runs. The worst throwing catcher cost his team 0.8 runs. That's a total swing of 1.9 runs.

    The best framer gained his team 18.3 runs. The worst framing catcher cost his team 17.5 runs. That's a total swing of 35.8 runs.

    Framing is far and away the most important skill for a catcher to have, assuming he meets to minimum MLB standard in blocking/throwing. It is roughly 4x as important as blocking, and 18x as important as throwing.

  18. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Enscheff For This Useful Post:

    Super (11-02-2018), tomahawkchop (11-01-2018)

  19. #57
    Arbitration Eligible
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    3,381
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    68
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,171
    Thanked in
    773 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Those are some pretty low ball offers, but it would be sweet to get a deal like that.

    What about Ramos? To me he is sort of the consolation prize...better defender than JT and a bit less offense than Grandal.

    I'd also like to see some research on how much catchers improve their framing when going to teams with better coaching/analytics. A case could be made that Realmuto only sucks at framing because the Marlins suck at knowing baseball facts.
    I'm also interested in why Ramos hasn't been mentioned much in these discussions. I, for one, would love to have him if we miss out on Grandal or Realmuto. I also think he could be had far more cheaply. Maybe something in the 2/22 range or something like that.

  20. #58
    Steve Harvey'd
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Posts
    18,946
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,856
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,329
    Thanked in
    3,353 Posts
    Make that three for Ramos as well. Splitting time with Flo would help him stay healthy hopefully. At least less wear and tear. He is a hell of a plan B
    Coppy

  21. #59
    Arbitration Eligible
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    3,381
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    68
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,171
    Thanked in
    773 Posts
    The thing that I like most about Ramos is that if we signed him and traded for our corner outfielder, we could still have a decent amount of money to build our depth up with. I don't expect Ramos to cost more than the 2/12 that nsacpi laid out. Nsacpi and I have been all over adding a utility bench option that hits righties well. If we had a Ramos/Peralta offseason then we could add that and still have some money left over to play around with. Maybe for that bullpen arm that everyone seems to want.

Similar Threads

  1. Great article on evaluating value of Catchers.
    By The Chosen One in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 07-02-2019, 03:01 PM
  2. Catchers available (maybe)
    By msstate7 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 04-01-2018, 02:58 AM
  3. Braves Pitchers And Catchers Report Today!
    By CrimsonCowboy in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 117
    Last Post: 02-20-2017, 04:10 PM
  4. Catchers
    By msstate7 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: 05-23-2016, 05:43 PM
  5. 8 Days til Pitchers & Catchers Report
    By The Chosen One in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-09-2016, 09:27 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •