JohnAdcox (12-04-2013)
The way I look at it is Gattis is replacing Mac and someone (let's say Terdoslavich) is replacing Gattis as our top bench player. I don't expect the first change to have a big effect. But it will be hard for any bench player to be as productive as Gattis was in 2013. So overall we are down on offense from losing Mac. But we might be able to make up some of that at other positions (hello 2B and CF).
With respect to pitching, I think the 2014 versions of Minor, Medlen and Teheran can be expected to be better than 2013 versions. With respect to the other two slots, I would take 2014 Beachy over 2013 Maholm. And I know this one will cause some debate but I would also take 2014 Wood over 2013 Hudson (even abstracting from the ankle injury). So in my view the likelihood is our starting pitching is going to be better in 2014 than 2013.
I'd expect some regression from the pen, simply because most of them performed at the high end of their established norms.
Overall I'd look for 92-95 wins from this team as currently constructed.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-04-2013 at 02:20 PM.
It may defy common thinking, but I think one of those pitchers probably scuffles a bit in 2014. Just happens that way. But I agree there should be incremental improvement from most.
I forgot CJ regressing just a bit. I have all the respect for Lord Babip in the world for shutting Zeets and his stats down, but I don't see much repeatable (as in Batting title contender good).
I feel like overall, we are worse after losing those two. Our division mates on the other hand, have made some nice moves. The Mets will be better, and the Marlins probably will also. Nats grabbing Fister is a really savvy move. (It would CRUSH my faith in FW to know that Fister was available and FW didn't know). They should hit a bit more in 2014 I would think.
Ivermectin Man
Out of five starting pitchers, it is to be expected that one will get hurt, one will scuffle or have some mysterious regression, and the other three will be close to expectations. In 2013, we had the Hudson injury and Maholm turning into a pumpkin in the second half. Something like that will happen in 2014, but we don't know at this point which ones will get hurt/turn into a pumpkin. Depth will come into play as it always does. At this point Hale and Martin have had some success in AAA and in Hale's case some success in limited major league experience. We'll also have Gilmartin, Thomas, Schlosser and Northcraft in AAA. Graham probably in AA until he shows the shoulder is fine. To me that's more than acceptable depth in the upper minors.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-04-2013 at 02:37 PM.
Let's wait and see what FW does.
I'd agree CJ will probably regress by default, he wont hit that good next year but not as big of a regression as some think.
It's basically the same team as last year minus Huddy/Mac.
And they won 96 games despite Heyward missing 1/2 the year, getting nothing from BJ/Uggla.
And had a ton of injuries.
We could anywhere from 90-97 games and challenge for the East depending if a few things break right.
Marlins for sure will be better.
Mets not having Harvey for a full year will hurt, but if they add Granderson like some are reporting that would be a good move. An OF of Grandy-Lagares-Young is one of the best in baseball from a defensive prospective.
Nats will be better but their top 3 of Gio/Stras/Zimm pitched as well as any in baseball last year. I agree on Fister but im not sure he was available, for even that price. To their hitting, im not sure outside of maybe LaRoche who can improve from last year. Maybe Harper turns into Mike Trout and has an MVP year, very possible.
Mets will be bad. Remember Marlon Byrd had a very good year for them and they'll be lucky to get as much from their new outfielders.
Marlins will be improved.
Phillies will be older.
But none of those three are going to contend for the division. It will be us and the Gnats. I like our chances slightly more, but we do need more from second and center.
Heyward (12-04-2013)
If you don't want to acknowledge his elite talent then thats fine. Very few players in my lifetime have I seen that have comparable raw talent that Harper has. Trout is right up there as well but I will still continue to believe that Harper will have the better career.
Natural Immunity Croc
Harper has sick talent. But saying he was well onto his way of having a season like trout based on a month is foolish. Heyward has sick talent but if he rocks in April I won't be saying Hey ward>Trout
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Hawk (12-04-2013), Heyward (12-04-2013), zitothebrave (12-04-2013)
LOL, Trout put up back to back 9-10+ WAR seasons at 20-21 years old..
But sure, Harper was on his way to putting up that type of season, for sure.
bravesnumberone (12-04-2013)