DOB: Braves offseason about to get a lot busier. - Gamel released.

[thewupk]

Not the point.

Just saying the market for pitchers is ridiculous and in general.

Thats all.

It is. But that contract is about market value for Bailey. And he's close enough to fa to get it. We didn't over pay with julio. But there are risks with his deal. Still most people have said it's a good deal for the braves even with the risks. And I agree with them

[Heyward]

It is. But that contract is about market value for Bailey. And he's close enough to fa to get it. We didn't over pay with julio. But there are risks with his deal. Still most people have said it's a good deal for the braves even with the risks. And I agree with them

Only risks are from a health-standpoint.

If he just goes off last year and never improves, it's still a steal.

[thewupk]

Only risks are from a health-standpoint.

If he just goes off last year and never improves, it's still a steal.

I agree. But health is a big factor. See Jurrjens and Hanson.

[nsacpi]

I agree. But health is a big factor. See Jurrjens and Hanson.

See Beachy too, though hopefully he rebounds.

[Heyward]

Smh it's clear these players don't want to be here and it may have something to do with Fredi.

lol

[Heyward]

I doubt it really has anything to do with Fredi. Heyward reportedly turned down an extension that would surely have paid him more than the arbitration figures, Freeman seems to want to go back to West Coast, and Kimbrel has definitely been superior to Rivera, Papelbon and Soriano, he simply wants to be paid.
I will not be surprised if at least 2 of them are traded before start of season.

[Heyward]

So we lose our core players within a season. It's looking pretty clear that those guys want nothing to do with this organization.

lol

[BremanFan88]

Great stuff.

[nsacpi]

Precious

[Jay212033]

I still stand by what I say. So you can bookmark it if you want to.

[nsacpi]

Smh it's clear these players don't want to be here and it may have something to do with Fredi.

Sure you don't want to retract?

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[AUTiger7222]

Minor is 4 years away from FA, Bailey is a FA at years end or was.

That being said, i could see us just play it out by year with him.

And given the contract Frank has given out, i'd hardly call it a given.

There's no way Frank Wren is giving out a $100M contract to a pitcher.

[yeezus]

Solid find, there.

[Heyward]

There's no way Frank Wren is giving out a $100M contract to a pitcher.

You dont know that or how much Minor will cost.

[AUTiger7222]

You dont know that or how much Minor will cost.

Minor is a better pitcher than Bailey. The only thing Bailey has ever done is get lucky with 2 no-hitters, and yes no-hitters are lucky. See Philip Humber, Kent Mercker and every other average or below average pitcher that threw a no-hitter compared to guys like Greg Maddux (one of the 10 greatest pitchers ever) that never threw a no=hitter. if Bailey is going to get $100M for 6 years it's very, very, very doubtful that Minor would settle for less and even more doubtful that Wren would give him a deal over $100M. Name 1 deal that a pitcher got, that has been over $100M that hasn't ended in disaster? It's too early to tell on the Justin Verlander and King Felix deals. All the rest were utter disasters. Listening to Frank Wren speak yesterday and talking about how he value's long-term deals, it would have to be below $100M for Minor to get extended.

[Heyward]

Minor is a better pitcher than Bailey. The only thing Bailey has ever done is get lucky with 2 no-hitters, and yes no-hitters are lucky. See Philip Humber, Kent Mercker and every other average or below average pitcher that threw a no-hitter compared to guys like Greg Maddux (one of the 10 greatest pitchers ever) that never threw a no=hitter. if Bailey is going to get $100M for 6 years it's very, very, very doubtful that Minor would settle for less and even more doubtful that Wren would give him a deal over $100M. Name 1 deal that a pitcher got, that has been over $100M that hasn't ended in disaster? It's too early to tell on the Justin Verlander and King Felix deals. All the rest were utter disasters. Listening to Frank Wren speak yesterday and talking about how he value's long-term deals, it would have to be below $100M for Minor to get extended.

Sabathia, Cain, Felix, Lee (not sure if he got 100 mil though)

[Knucksie]

Kent Mercker and every other average or below average pitcher that threw a no-hitter compared to guys like Greg Maddux (one of the 10 greatest pitchers ever) that never threw a no=hitter.

It's not the point that you were trying to make, but let me interject for a second on Merker's behalf. Evaluating the talent at the minor league level, there could easily have been top brass in the Braves org, who projected Mercker to be a top LH starter (we could mention Lilliquist, as well). In fact, both we picked higher and rose with a more hype. Ditto, no less than Hank Aaron said that Tommy Greene was the "best of them" in reference to the crop of young pitching, which included Glavine, Smoltz and Avery. In terms of "stuff," Mercker should've had a much better career. It's hard to remember the history, but was better than average or below average. Sometimes things just don't work out.

[AUTiger7222]

Sabathia, Cain, Felix, Lee (not sure if he got 100 mil though)

The Yankees will end up regretting the Sabathia deal. He has declined mightily the last year or two from his peak years and he's got 3 years left on his deal. Cain and King Felix are two deals that may end up working out just fine given how young they were the deals were signed and that they don't go too far into their 30s on them. Cain had a down year in 2013 by his standards but there's no reason to think he won't rebound this year. Lee did get over $100M from the Phillies and so far it's been a win for them, but he's still got 2 years left on it for his age 35 and 36 seasons. We'll see if he continues to pitch like a Cy Young winner these next 2 years.

You did a nice job naming off some deals that have worked out so far, but I can name some that ended up being disasterous, Mike Hampton, Denny Neagle, Johan Santana are 3 that just come to mind without me even having to think about it.

[NinersSBChamps]

Looks like Homer is getting paid for those no hitters he hurled.

[AUTiger7222]

It's not the point that you were trying to make, but let me interject for a second on Merker's behalf. Evaluating the talent at the minor league level, there could easily have been top brass in the Braves org, who projected Mercker to be a top LH starter (we could mention Lilliquist, as well). In fact, both we picked higher and rose with a more hype. Ditto, no less than Hank Aaron said that Tommy Greene was the "best of them" in reference to the crop of young pitching, which included Glavine, Smoltz and Avery. In terms of "stuff," Mercker should've had a much better career. It's hard to remember the history, but was better than average or below average. Sometimes things just don't work out.

Kent Mercker may have had the high billing coming up through the ranks but he ended up just being an average major league pitcher, same for Tommy Greene.