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    assaulting buildings huh?

    has anyone checked to make sure the building is ok

    so, the spray paint on the outside is viewed equally as actually storming it and occupying it with guns?
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    fake outrage?

    what am i faking outrage about right now?

    laughing that you think the situations are similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    assaulting buildings huh?

    has anyone checked to make sure the building is ok

    so, the spray paint on the outside is viewed equally as actually storming it and occupying it with guns?
    Who was assaulted during the bundy days?

    Yes, armed protesters attacking federal buildings in Portlant every night

    Do you have an argument? Didnt you support federal intervention then?

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    did i say anyone was assaulted in the bundy example? no. you can clearly read what i wrote.

    do you purposefully just change topics in the middle of the conversation

    or

    do you just forget the conversation and are too excited to try to get to your point and it doesn't matter what was said?


    oh, the leaf blowers count as armed now? lol

    you have stated you know my position on that example. you can go look it up if you suddenly don't recall

    i'm still laughing thinking they are the same though so you can try to make your silly point.
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    btw

    being armed against the federal gov't is legal

    in both cases

    i guess y'all don't understand why the 2nd amendment was written
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    did i say anyone was assaulted in the bundy example? no. you can clearly read what i wrote.

    do you purposefully just change topics in the middle of the conversation

    or

    do you just forget the conversation and are too excited to try to get to your point and it doesn't matter what was said?


    oh, the leaf blowers count as armed now? lol

    you have stated you know my position on that example. you can go look it up if you suddenly don't recall

    i'm still laughing thinking they are the same though so you can try to make your silly point.
    What's different goldy....

    Clearly articulate it for once.

    You supported federal intervention then, right?

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    I remember you being upset about this.
    You claim to remember all of this already

    go back and get your answers if you have forgotten since 11:49pm
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    I got to hand it to ya

    You’re really going to bat for the government though
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    I'm asking you point blank.

    What is the difference between the two situations?

    Can you answer? (Of course you cant lol)

    Because you laughed when I made the comparison 20 min ago

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    I’m still laughing

    You think they are similar

    Protesters with spray paint and leaf blowers in the street vs gun toting actually occupying a building

    They aren’t similar

    No matter how much you want them to be equal

    Lol
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    what does overnight/weekly murder tallies have to do with police brutality ?

    Could it be poverty, ****ty school systems and a weighted economic policies
    non existent in accessible health care and decaying ignored inner cities ?

    A lot of people are finally making that connection
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    what does overnight/weekly murder tallies have to do with police brutality ?

    Could it be poverty, ****ty school systems and a weighted economic policies
    non existent in accessible health care and decaying ignored inner cities ?

    A lot of people are finally making that connection
    Terrible democratic leadership is the commonality.
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    drums, mums and leaf blowers



    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    I'd say free speech was last night alive and doing well




    " hey hey ho ho these racist cops have got to go"
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    " proactive arrests "

    would one of our enlightened - not a Trump fans - explain this

    from where I sit it sounds like a round up
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Jeep going with the peaceful protestor route and ignore the obvious violence happening simultaneously. It will be to trumps advantage.
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    who is shooting at whom ?

    looking closer, the people with the shields are not uniformed but citizens, kicking the tear gas back where it came from
    and look at the shields themselves, homemade, methinks







    Interesting the entire twitter feed

    https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    I’m still laughing

    You think they are similar

    Protesters with spray paint and leaf blowers in the street vs gun toting actually occupying a building

    They aren’t similar

    No matter how much you want them to be equal

    Lol
    You havent explained why they are not similar.

    I can tell you one way... one was peaceful with no property destruction.

    But you supported fed intervention then, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    A Michigan school district fired a popular high school teacher and coach after he pointed out that "Trump is our president" on social media.

    Varsity baseball coach and social studies teacher Justin Kucera said Walled Lake school district officials hauled him into a closed-door meeting after he indicated his support for President Trump's speech to reopen schools. He told the Washington Free Beacon the Walled Lake Western principal and district superintendent gave him an ultimatum: be fired or resign.




    "I was required to meet with [human resources], the superintendent, and my principal [on July 10]. They initially took my statement on why I tweeted those tweets and they told me they would have a decision about my future employment in the upcoming days. When they completed the meeting, I was told I had the option to either be fired or resign." Kucera said.

    Neither the school district nor the principal responded to requests for comment.

    Kucera said the statement that cost him his job was intended to unify, rather than divide.

    "I know a lot of people are just rooting for Trump to fail, and I don't think that anybody should do that," Kucera said. "Agree with him or not, you should want the president to do well. I apologized that [my tweet] brought so much negative attention, but I'm not sorry for what I said."

    Kucera was a popular figure at the high school before the episode, according to parents and former teachers. Even his detractors lauded him on social media as they condemned the tweet. One student said she would need to find a new "favorite teacher" after seeing the missive. Multiple sources said that the teacher never brought politics into the classroom.


    Bryant Hixson, a recent Walled Lake Western graduate, said his political views have no impact on how he views his coach and teacher.

    "Prior to Mr. Kucera's tweet, I cannot recall an instance where he shared his political affiliations while teaching or coaching," Hixson said. "My political views have no impact on how I feel towards Mr. Kucera. Mr. Kucera has always been supportive of me as my AP World History and student leadership teacher and as my baseball and basketball coach."

    A parent of two Walled Lake Western boys told the Free Beacon—on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution—that Kucera was an apolitical figure who coached his son in baseball and basketball and taught his sons AP History and student leadership.

    "Justin coached my son his entire high school career and also was his AP History teacher and student leadership teacher for two years. I know Justin very well," the parent said. "If there's one thing that I would commend Justin for is, he always tried to stay apolitical. He always tried to stay right down the middle, avoid [political] conversations, and let the students make their own call based on their own life experiences." The father of two believes Kucera lost his job because administrators caved to a mob that had little to do with the school district.


    Other Walled Lake teachers have expressed their political views without any repercussions. Paulette Loe, a now-retired Walled Lake Western teacher, encouraged students to read an article from the Atlantic about "how to beat Trump" while still employed. Nicole Estes, a kindergarten teacher in the district, called Trump a "sociopath" and a "narcissist" on Facebook in 2016 and is still employed at Keith Elementary School. Neither Loe nor Estes responded to requests for comment.

    The teachers' union representative that accompanied Kucera at the meeting did not respond to a request for comment.
    No commentary on this?

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