Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

[nsacpi]

Judges are human. I know I would be pissed to have to wade through the morass of a junk lawsuit. I'm guessing some poor clerk was given the job of reading and summarizing the filings for the judge. Still there should be consequences.

[striker42]

Nice. Attorneys have run roughshod over the legal system

There needs to be recourse

Attorneys are required to have a good faith basis for anything they sign their name to. If you don't then you can be sanctioned. Most people have never heard of a Rule 11 motion.

[Tapate50]

Attorneys are required to have a good faith basis for anything they sign their name to. If you don't then you can be sanctioned. Most people have never heard of a Rule 11 motion.

They can be but aren’t. Ever.

I’ve seen so many people chase an insurance settlement in a no fault case that it would make you throw up. A few have told me they could care less if businesses have to shut down as long as they get the pay day.

It’s hard to respect the profession tbh. No offense

[Jaw]

Ehh. Powell is a whack job but let's not act like the judge is virtuous. Her decision makes it pretty plain there was nothing the case could have said that would have justified her taking action, and the attorneys filing the suit made it plain that they were doing so to go through the necessary motions to get to the SC. Calling them back to the principal's office now is weak sauce

[thethe]

Guess that Libertarian rationale for not breaking up social media companies is gone.

What a rigged system.

When can we start talking about the trillions of dollars of in kind camp again contributions that Dorsey/zuckeberg gove to the Democrats?

[cajunrevenge]

Judges are human. I know I would be pissed to have to wade through the morass of a junk lawsuit. I'm guessing some poor clerk was given the job of reading and summarizing the filings for the judge. Still there should be consequences.

Now imagine being that judge hearing Powell misrepresent the ruling in the case to the public.

[sturg33]

The lecturer is busy, I guess

[goldfly]

not one of them knows what CRT is either

just good lemmings screaming whatever tucker tells em

[sturg33]

In a shocking turn of events, goldy is supportive of arresting peaceful protesters.

He defends it censorship at every turn

[McCann'sCans]

not one of them knows what CRT is either

It would be fascinating for everyone here to give their definition of CRT. Would be very helpful for the discussion since we are all talking about something different when we say CRT.

[Jaw]

Something I've noticed is that many of the leftward persuasion underestimate the understanding that those of the rightward persuasion have on this topic (not directed at you MC.) Many of us are quite familiar with the dangers of Critical Theory from it's use in university Theology departments. It's something of a one size fits all stick for anyone to use to beat on any tradition they aren't happy with.

My take is that Critical Theory can be useful for deciding what questions to ask, and has negative value when used to attempt to answer questions.

Here's a twitter thread by an advocate of CRT that gives a decent overview.

https://t.co/uF7jlVisEM?amp=1

[McCann'sCans]

Thanks, Jaw. I'd love to hear you elaborate a bit more on the history of CRT in theology in particular (I'm not familiar), and then on how you feel it's being used as a stick today.

[nsacpi]

During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday, Cotton was questioning Gilday about a book, Ibram X. Kendi’s How to Be an Antiracist, being added to the Navy’s recommended reading list and pointed out that one of the book’s conclusions is that capitalism is racist.

When Cotton asked whether or not Gilday agreed with that sentiment, the Naval commander avoided answering directly.

“You’re saying as a senior leader of the Navy that you want 18-year-old sailors and 22-year-old ensigns to read a book that asserts that capitalism is essentially racist,” Cotton said to Gilday. “Do you agree that capitalism is essentially racist?”

Gilday responded, “Sir, with all due respect, I’m not going to engage without understanding the context of statements like that.”

The Arkansas Republican pushed back and asked Gilday in what context a claim like that would “possibly be something with which you agree?”

“Sir, I’d have to go back to the book to take a look at that,” Gilday responded. “I believe we can trust them to read books like that and draw reasonable conclusions.”

Cotton also pressed Gilday on why the book, which promotes critical race theory, was added to the Navy’s recommended reading list in the first place.

“Sir, I chose a variety of books,” Gilday said. “There are over 50 books on my reading list to give our sailors a wide range of information from which I hope they can make facts-based decisions on both their ability to look outwardly at potential aggressors like China and Russia, as well as looking inwardly and being honest with themselves in areas that we need to improve.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

I think the choice of reading lists for our young people is important. Those lists should reflect a diversity of views and perspectives. I don't think teenagers and college students would be irreparably harmed to be exposed to CRT. Even to the Marxist exponents of CRT. Reading Marx himself is a harmless exercise in intellectual history. There are more objectionable things imo in Plato than in Marx. And Plato was a much more profound thinker than Marx.

Oh and capitalism is not racist. But we shouldn't disqualify from reading lists books that make that claim.

[sturg33]

We all know which side the debate goldy and the lecturer fall on this one

[striker42]

During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday, Cotton was questioning Gilday about a book, Ibram X. Kendi’s How to Be an Antiracist, being added to the Navy’s recommended reading list and pointed out that one of the book’s conclusions is that capitalism is racist.

When Cotton asked whether or not Gilday agreed with that sentiment, the Naval commander avoided answering directly.

“You’re saying as a senior leader of the Navy that you want 18-year-old sailors and 22-year-old ensigns to read a book that asserts that capitalism is essentially racist,” Cotton said to Gilday. “Do you agree that capitalism is essentially racist?”

Gilday responded, “Sir, with all due respect, I’m not going to engage without understanding the context of statements like that.”

The Arkansas Republican pushed back and asked Gilday in what context a claim like that would “possibly be something with which you agree?”

“Sir, I’d have to go back to the book to take a look at that,” Gilday responded. “I believe we can trust them to read books like that and draw reasonable conclusions.”

Cotton also pressed Gilday on why the book, which promotes critical race theory, was added to the Navy’s recommended reading list in the first place.

“Sir, I chose a variety of books,” Gilday said. “There are over 50 books on my reading list to give our sailors a wide range of information from which I hope they can make facts-based decisions on both their ability to look outwardly at potential aggressors like China and Russia, as well as looking inwardly and being honest with themselves in areas that we need to improve.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

I think the choice of reading lists for our young people is important. Those lists should reflect a diversity of views and perspectives. I don't think teenagers and college students would be irreparably harmed to be exposed to CRT. Even to the Marxist exponents of CRT. Reading Marx himself is a harmless exercise in intellectual history. There are more objectionable things imo in Plato than in Marx. And Plato was a much more profound thinker than Marx.

Oh and capitalism is not racist. But we shouldn't disqualify from reading lists books that make that claim.

One of the big problems we have in our education system is not teaching students how to draw their own conclusions. The structure we have is authority figures (teachers) telling kids what is correct and what is incorrect. Their own conclusions are replaced by those of the authority figure. So when an authority figure exposes them to something like Marx, they struggle in analyzing it, critiquing it, and determining for themselves what they believe is correct and incorrect.

I think critical thinking skills need to be taught much more heavily and there needs to be more focus on kids drawing their own conclusions. That way when they're adults they'll be less likely to simply use someone else's opinion as their own.

[nsacpi]

One of the big problems we have in our education system is not teaching students how to draw their own conclusions. The structure we have is authority figures (teachers) telling kids what is correct and what is incorrect. Their own conclusions are replaced by those of the authority figure. So when an authority figure exposes them to something like Marx, they struggle in analyzing it, critiquing it, and determining for themselves what they believe is correct and incorrect.

I think critical thinking skills need to be taught much more heavily and there needs to be more focus on kids drawing their own conclusions. That way when they're adults they'll be less likely to simply use someone else's opinion as their own.

I had a Marxist as my academic adviser my first two years in college. He never tried to indoctrinate me. I don't believe he ever tried to indoctrinate a single student. He was a wonderful adviser who always pushed me to sample widely.

[acesfull86]

During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday, Cotton was questioning Gilday about a book, Ibram X. Kendi’s How to Be an Antiracist, being added to the Navy’s recommended reading list and pointed out that one of the book’s conclusions is that capitalism is racist.

When Cotton asked whether or not Gilday agreed with that sentiment, the Naval commander avoided answering directly.

“You’re saying as a senior leader of the Navy that you want 18-year-old sailors and 22-year-old ensigns to read a book that asserts that capitalism is essentially racist,” Cotton said to Gilday. “Do you agree that capitalism is essentially racist?”

Gilday responded, “Sir, with all due respect, I’m not going to engage without understanding the context of statements like that.”

The Arkansas Republican pushed back and asked Gilday in what context a claim like that would “possibly be something with which you agree?”

“Sir, I’d have to go back to the book to take a look at that,” Gilday responded. “I believe we can trust them to read books like that and draw reasonable conclusions.”

Cotton also pressed Gilday on why the book, which promotes critical race theory, was added to the Navy’s recommended reading list in the first place.

“Sir, I chose a variety of books,” Gilday said. “There are over 50 books on my reading list to give our sailors a wide range of information from which I hope they can make facts-based decisions on both their ability to look outwardly at potential aggressors like China and Russia, as well as looking inwardly and being honest with themselves in areas that we need to improve.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

I think the choice of reading lists for our young people is important. Those lists should reflect a diversity of views and perspectives. I don't think teenagers and college students would be irreparably harmed to be exposed to CRT. Even to the Marxist exponents of CRT. Reading Marx himself is a harmless exercise in intellectual history. There are more objectionable things imo in Plato than in Marx. And Plato was a much more profound thinker than Marx.

Oh and capitalism is not racist. But we shouldn't disqualify from reading lists books that make that claim.

Agreed. I literally took a course called “radical multiculturalism” as an undergrad and read kooks that I’d imagine were way more out there than Ibram X Kendi, and look how I turned out. And it was taught by a self described lesbian Chicano woman, so this was the real deal, lol.

I’ve often said it’s liberal students who are done the most disservice in school because they can get through it without ever having their worldview challenged (maybe other than exposure to thinkers even further left than they are).

Marx belongs on reading lists. It would be nice if folks like Adam Smith and FA Hayek found themselves on those lists too.

[acesfull86]

One of the big problems we have in our education system is not teaching students how to draw their own conclusions. The structure we have is authority figures (teachers) telling kids what is correct and what is incorrect. Their own conclusions are replaced by those of the authority figure. So when an authority figure exposes them to something like Marx, they struggle in analyzing it, critiquing it, and determining for themselves what they believe is correct and incorrect.

I think critical thinking skills need to be taught much more heavily and there needs to be more focus on kids drawing their own conclusions. That way when they're adults they'll be less likely to simply use someone else's opinion as their own.

Yeah, I know my own experiences were definitely a mixed bag on this front.

[McCann'sCans]

At Duke I had much more assigned reading from Adam Smith and de Tocqueville than I did from Marx, though I definitely had some of both. I'd like to think I had pretty broad exposure, though I was also the president of the Young Republicans club at the time so maybe I was looking for it.

[sturg33]

I had a Marxist as my academic adviser my first two years in college. He never tried to indoctrinate me. I don't believe he ever tried to indoctrinate a single student. He was a wonderful adviser who always pushed me to sample widely.

What happened 50 years ago is not relevant today