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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Free speech is under attack my man.

    From the government.

    From businesses.

    From society.

    It's sad but it is indeed happening. And people like you lick the boot to support it
    *hard eye roll*

    Criticism is also speech. Why do you hate speech? See I can make dumb accusations too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Never ever ever ever apologize to the mob. They will still hate you

    Fortunately Brees is hard to replace or he'd probably be looking for work. Like the Sacramento Kings' play-by-play announcer who made the mistake of suggesting "all lives matter"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphysicist View Post
    Kind of unbelievable that even when we have actual examples of the state using violence to suppress 1st amendment rights, sturg still only bumps this thread to whine about how some famous white guy gets criticized for saying something stupid.
    It’s on par actually

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    Never apologize lol

    Holy ****
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    Good thread here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Good thread here.

    I'm amazed that running Cotton's op-ed piece is controversial. His views are not fringy on this. I disagree with him (even think his views on this are deplorable) but there has to be room on their op-ed page for that kind of piece.
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    The hashtag Cancel Drew Brees was trending yesterday. That's utter nonsense. What he said was tone deaf and displayed a lack of understanding but to try to group people together sufficient to pressure those with authority over him to take action against him for his speech is wrong.

    Punishing people for voicing ideas you disagree with doesn't change minds. It just drives those ideas underground making them harder to defeat. Look at employment discrimination law. There was a time where people would give voice to their discrimination. Then that was used as evidence against them in court. So the discrimination didn't stop, people just stopped talking about it. (note, I'm not advocating against employment discrimination laws, I'm just noting this as an example of where discrimination remained unchanged in spite of the speech about it being driven down)

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    The hashtag Cancel Drew Brees was trending yesterday. That's utter nonsense. What he said was tone deaf and displayed a lack of understanding but to try to group people together sufficient to pressure those with authority over him to take action against him for his speech is wrong.

    Punishing people for voicing ideas you disagree with doesn't change minds. It just drives those ideas underground making them harder to defeat. Look at employment discrimination law. There was a time where people would give voice to their discrimination. Then that was used as evidence against them in court. So the discrimination didn't stop, people just stopped talking about it. (note, I'm not advocating against employment discrimination laws, I'm just noting this as an example of where discrimination remained unchanged in spite of the speech about it being driven down)
    Agreed.

    Not to mention:

    Drew Brees - "I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country. Let me just tell you what I see or what I feel when the national anthem is played, and when I look at the flag of the United States. I envision my two grandfathers, who fought for this country during World War II, one in the Army and one in the Marine Corp. Both risking their lives to protect our country and to try to make our country and this world a better place."

    Joe Biden - "“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing. There’s a lot of different things that could change."

    Which one of those comments should have led the 48 hour news cycle, spurred calls of cancellation, and resulted in a demanded public apology? I say the (D) candidate for president should've been held to a higher standard than the quarterback of the Saints. But maybe that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Agreed.

    Not to mention:

    Drew Brees - "I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country. Let me just tell you what I see or what I feel when the national anthem is played, and when I look at the flag of the United States. I envision my two grandfathers, who fought for this country during World War II, one in the Army and one in the Marine Corp. Both risking their lives to protect our country and to try to make our country and this world a better place."

    Joe Biden - "“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing. There’s a lot of different things that could change."

    Which one of those comments should have led the 48 hour news cycle, spurred calls of cancellation, and resulted in a demanded public apology? I say the (D) candidate for president should've been held to a higher standard than the quarterback of the Saints. But maybe that's just me.
    Maybe this one should have led the news cycle:

    “When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution,” Mattis wrote. “Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens — much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

    “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis wrote in a statement published by the Atlantic.

    “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership," he continued. “We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Agreed.

    Not to mention:

    Drew Brees - "I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country. Let me just tell you what I see or what I feel when the national anthem is played, and when I look at the flag of the United States. I envision my two grandfathers, who fought for this country during World War II, one in the Army and one in the Marine Corp. Both risking their lives to protect our country and to try to make our country and this world a better place."

    Joe Biden - "“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing. There’s a lot of different things that could change."

    Which one of those comments should have led the 48 hour news cycle, spurred calls of cancellation, and resulted in a demanded public apology? I say the (D) candidate for president should've been held to a higher standard than the quarterback of the Saints. But maybe that's just me.
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    There is only one opinion that can be freely shared.

    And that segment of the population is getting larger.

    Hence, I believe free speech is under attack in this country

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    There's a line from the musical 1776 that I really like. They're voting on whether to debate declaring independence. One of the representatives says:

    "Well, in all my years I ain't never heard, seen nor smelled an issue that was so dangerous it couldn't be talked about. Hell yeah! I'm for debating anything."

    I wish more people had this philosophy.

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    Oh, I’ll for sure take someone serious that thinks middle America is “real America”

    Nice racist dog whistle


    But I love freedom/constitutionalist that’s always worried about the expanse of power for the govt

    But he comes running to support the expansion of an abusive govt against citizens practicing their constitutional rights
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