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    The eldest of 14 children, Rashida Harbi was born on July 24, 1976, to working-class Palestinian immigrants in Detroit. Her mother was born in Beit Ur El Foka, near the West Bank city of Ramallah. Her father was born in Beit Hanina, a neighborhood in Jerusalem. He moved first to Nicaragua, then to Detroit, where he worked on an assembly line in a Ford Motor Company plant. As the eldest, Tlaib played a role in raising her siblings while her parents worked but sometimes relied on welfare for support.[8]

    Rashida Tlaib attended elementary school at Harms, Bennett Elementary and Phoenix Academy. She graduated from Southwestern High School in Detroit in 1994, and from Wayne State University with a Bachelor of Arts in political science in 1998. She earned a Juris Doctor from Western Michigan University's Cooley Law School in 2004.[9]
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    " Reasons it's ok ... "

    How's about simply, reasons
    then move on from there

    But Brietbart and Washington Examiner and Dem Socialists ...
    pretty scary stuff
    “Reject the logic that says someone else’s gain necessitates my loss, and that my gain must come at the cost of another person.”

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    Is bigotry ever ok? Thats a simple question.

    Would you care to answer it?
    Warm feelings guy!

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    Amash is Palestinian

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    Also, good on 50 for being simply reasonable and consistently so

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Is bigotry ever ok? Thats a simple question.

    Would you care to answer it?
    understandable in some cases -- ok -- who knows

    I dont see her as bigoted ---
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    Amash

    In 2011, Amash was one of six members of Congress who voted "Nay" on House Resolution 268 reaffirming U.S. commitment to a negotiated settlement of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict through direct Israeli–Palestinian negotiation, which passed with 407 members in support.[17][97]

    In 2014, he was one of eight members of Congress who voted "Nay" on a $225 million package to restock Israel's Iron Dome missile defenses, which passed with 398 members in support.[98] He supports a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[17]


    He voted against Israeli interests -- is he too bigoted ?

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    This issue is far too complicated to broad brush who is and isn't "bigoted"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    understandable in some cases -- ok -- who knows

    I dont see her as bigoted ---
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    Amash

    In 2011, Amash was one of six members of Congress who voted "Nay" on House Resolution 268 reaffirming U.S. commitment to a negotiated settlement of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict through direct Israeli–Palestinian negotiation, which passed with 407 members in support.[17][97]

    In 2014, he was one of eight members of Congress who voted "Nay" on a $225 million package to restock Israel's Iron Dome missile defenses, which passed with 398 members in support.[98] He supports a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[17]


    He voted against Israeli interests -- is he too bigoted ?

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    This issue is far too complicated to broad brush who is and isn't "bigoted"
    LOL no he votes against all unconstitutional foreign interests.

    He doesn't claim Isreal has no right to exist and doesn't cover them up on maps with sticky notes proudly.

    These junior folks can learn a thing or two

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    so he is from the 18th century.
    Why does he live in the past ?



    this read
    http://ikhras.com/meet-justin-amash-...y-palestinian/


    I believe in the parlance of the African American Amash is a "House ******"
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    Personal experience --- I am 2nd generation of an immigrant family that was not allowed to use the old language at home
    So i relate to Amash in that respect -- but, completely understand the source of Talib's anti Zionism

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Don't subscribe, so I can't read the article, but I believe the gist of it is correct. Markets can, but don't always, work and I think one of the problems in the Western European model is that they, like us to a lesser extent, are having trouble transforming their economies. They aren't to, and won't get to, Greece-level issues, but they have generous public benefit structure that will have to be pared back a bit along with a recognition that they have to compete in a global economy. I wonder how many of the market-based reforms are some sort of state capitalism.
    I linked it because I wanted to introduce a little nuance into the discussion we are having...just about any modern economy is a mixed economy...some state control (which people can call socialism) and some private markets...it is a spectrum...not black and white (get it spectrum...black and white)...ha ha

    and really the debate should about finding the sweet spot (which undoubtedly changes over time and circumstances) that works for a particular country...sweden went too far toward socialism for a while and has benefited by undertaking certain reforms
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Is bigotry ever ok? Thats a simple question.

    Would you care to answer it?
    its not...so any thoughts about Trump's comments regarding judge Curiel
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I linked it because I wanted to introduce a little nuance into the discussion we are having...just about any modern economy is a mixed economy...some state control (which people can call socialism) and some private markets...it is a spectrum...not black and white (get it spectrum...black and white)...ha ha

    and really the debate should about finding the sweet spot (which undoubtedly changes over time and circumstances) that works for a particular country...sweden went too far toward socialism for a while and has benefited by undertaking certain reforms
    Incentives work, but they have to be available to a very wide swath of the population. To accomplish that, a country needs to have a commitment to education that gives even the downtrodden hope that there's a chance at upward mobility. And for education to really work, you have to have some measure of social network in place to have kids physically and emotionally prepared to learn. Hungry kids that are moving every couple of months are really at a disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Incentives work, but they have to be available to a very wide swath of the population. To accomplish that, a country needs to have a commitment to education that gives even the downtrodden hope that there's a chance at upward mobility. And for education to really work, you have to have some measure of social network in place to have kids physically and emotionally prepared to learn. Hungry kids that are moving every couple of months are really at a disadvantage.
    Yes. I think any good faith discussion has to recognize two things:

    1) Incentives matter

    2) Sometimes people end up in bad situations (health, being born into a bad situation) that do not in any way reflect a moral failing on their part and that it is heartless not to try to design public policy to help those people

    I find that once people stipulate to those two things, the discussion becomes much more reasonable.

    I would add one more that I don't expect everyone to agree with but that I believe: even if some people end up in bad situations due to moral failings or bad choices, as a society it is often in our best interest to try to help them with a second chance (keeping in mind it is important not to create perverse incentive structures)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I disagree with your last point but there are definitely purists on the right that just can't see the danger of an unchecked system and what its doing the majority of the country. I know he is not for everyone but Tucker Carlson really nails the point. The destruction of the family unit due to dual incomes and 'female empowerment' (yeah yeah call me a bigot) is a rot that that is destroying the country from the inside.
    If you take women out of the work force, either get ready for the biggest demand side economic depression (no, not recession) in modern history or a massive influx of immigrants to fill the vacant jobs. Male immigrants of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    its not...so any thoughts about Trump's comments regarding judge Curiel
    His comments there were not the bigoted piece. His mass characterization of immigrants is where he stepped over the line and deserve condemnation.
    Warm feelings guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    His comments there were not the bigoted piece. His mass characterization of immigrants is where he stepped over the line and deserve condemnation.
    so its ok to say person X can't do his/her job due to race/ethnicity/national origin/religion. That's what Trump said about Curiel. I agree with Paul Ryan, who said it was a textbook example of racism.

    btw Judge Curiel showed great professionalism in handling that case and helped to guide it to an outcome everyone could live with
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    so its ok to say person X can't do his/her job due to race/ethnicity/religion. That's what Trump said about Curiel. I agree with Paul Ryan, who said it was a textbook example of racism.
    It was not a statement stating her ethnicity was a demerit on skills or ability. It was a statement on bias. Just like he says the 'angry democrats' can't hold a fair investigation. Is he bigoted against Democrats now?
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    one more thing on Talib.
    One has to recognize the difference between an Anti Semite and an Anti Zionist.
    They are not one in the same
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    Love that 57 has put a stake on the ground in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    one more thing on Talib.
    One has to recognize the difference between an Anti Semite and an Anti Zionist.
    They are not one in the same
    That's true. I'm just having a difficult time discerning the difference with her and Omar. I had lunch with one of my Jewish friends a couple of weeks back (and he's more liberal than I am and is very critical of Netanyahu) and his concern is that all the divestment talk and other strong anti-Israel chatter is doing is undermining the Jewish population that wants accommodation with the Palestinians. There are those on the right (both in the U.S. and Israel) that equate anti-Israel comments with anti-Semitism and I think the recent noise plays into their hands. For the record, I think the Israeli settlements on the West Bank and the confiscation of Palestinian property within Israel's traditional boundaries is truly deplorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It was not a statement stating her ethnicity was a demerit on skills or ability. It was a statement on bias. Just like he says the 'angry democrats' can't hold a fair investigation. Is he bigoted against Democrats now?
    i dont think so...Trump did not say Curiel couldn't be fair due his being an angry democrat...he explicitly said he couldn't be fair due to having Mexican ancestry
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    i dont think so...Trump did not say Curiel couldn't be fair due his being an angry democrat...he explicitly said he couldn't be fair due to having Mexican ancestry
    yes because the issue was regarding Mexicans. It was pretty clear but that doesn't make his remarks about immigrants as a whole any less disgusting. This was just not an example of bigotry.
    Warm feelings guy!

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