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    That would be billionaires,with a B.
    A guy won $1.4M last week betting on Tiger.
    Ozzie signed for $35M
    .... what is your point without the hyperbolic inuendo.

    Did Sen Sanders pay his taxes at,an increased rate or hide the money in off shore accounts ?
    Or fund a sham "Foundation"
    You still havent read Fitzgerald

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    hahaaha

    on brand
    Yes discussing the statement of a Presidential contender.

    Shocked you didnt answer though.

    As they say... on brand

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    i literately choose to pay more taxes

    i do it every year

    State taxes have certain causes you can directly send money to and i always choose to add some to most of those causes i agree with
    I commend you. If that’s what you feel is the right thing to do then so be it.

    57 told me this was an asinine premise.

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    let's all be glad for velcro
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    Yall are never gonna believe this but a democratic candidate proposed a massive free entitlement program today

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yall are never gonna believe this but a democratic candidate proposed a massive free entitlement program today
    The strategy is either shipping votes in from the third world or buying votes with short term sugar that will end quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The strategy is either shipping votes in from the third world or buying votes with short term sugar that will end quickly.
    You gotta admit, it's a really bold, transformative strategy to propose giving $1.6T away in a debt re-distribution scheme from the responsible to the irresponsible... all while doing nothing to address the underlying condition of the problem.

    Heroic, even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You gotta admit, it's a really bold, transformative strategy to propose giving $1.6T away in a debt re-distribution scheme from the responsible to the irresponsible... all while doing nothing to address the underlying condition of the problem.

    Heroic, even.
    Easy to spend others money

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    Pete is the only one of these folks to not come across as a complete commie nutjob

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Pete is the only one of these folks to not come across as a complete commie nutjob





    Well his campaign just died.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You gotta admit, it's a really bold, transformative strategy to propose giving $1.6T away in a debt re-distribution scheme from the responsible to the irresponsible... all while doing nothing to address the underlying condition of the problem.

    Heroic, even.
    She’s getting a lot of mileage out of that (probably unconstitutional) wealth tax...green new deal, healthcare for all, now free college and loan forgiveness. The math doesn’t come close to adding up, but don’t stop her now, she’s on a roll

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    show where the math doesn't add up ?

    I am sure greater minds than know it alls on reddit or baseball boards have run the numbers

    and please, since you made the statement lets avoid the my think tank can beat up your think tank nonsense

    as far as unconstitutional --- might want to visit a history book now and again
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    show where the math doesn't add up ?

    I am sure greater minds than know it alls on reddit or baseball boards have run the numbers

    and please, since you made the statement lets avoid the my think tank can beat up your think tank nonsense

    as far as unconstitutional --- might want to visit a history book now and again
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...warren-sanders

    “UC Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, who is advising Warren, estimates that the tax will hit 75,000 households and raise $2.75 trillion over a 10-year period.”


    The college plan is about $1.2T, her child care proposal is $0.7T, and her housing plan is $0.5B, all her estimates, and all programs she has said she would use this money for. Setting aside whether these numbers are low balls, which requires ignoring everything we know about politicians doing math for the past few centuries, we’re down to $300 billion. The urban Institute (I don’t know where to get estimates if not from a think tank, so I’ll use a liberal one) is $32T next decade. It’s hard to know exactly what the green new deal will cost, but it’s in the trillions, and we’re already $31+ trillion short. We haven’t even gotten to the obligations the govt already has to figure out how to meet over the next decade, or any other potential goodies (is Warren going to say no to a federal jobs guarantee? That’s been estimated at $6-7T).

    Whether you like it or not, the constitutionality of the wealth tax is certainly in question. Her entire basket of promises would hinge on the (conservative) SC ruiling in her favor. Even if it survived that challenge, there are other significant challenges the tax would have to survive.

    I see a hell of a lot of spending being offset by a questionable tax using generous revenue assumptions and we’re still well short. What are the other taxes that’ll have to make up the difference?
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    I followed your link (rabbit hole) and have a headache.


    Alvin Chang
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    Alvin Chang Retweeted Ella Nilsen

    Warren wants to pay for this w/ a wealth tax.

    Our wealth tax calculator shows that, even with a lot of avoidance, it's possible:


    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...warren-sanders
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    from the same link there was this sub link

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ren-wealth-tax
    ..........................

    digging further - in a reply to Chang's above tweet there was this train -- interesting stuffs

    https://twitter.com/ella_nilsen/stat...17233455140864
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    I’ve got to take issue with the characterization of forgiving student loan debt as “redistribution from the responsible to the irresponsible.”

    I know many scrupulously responsible, hard-working people who are paying off student loans and will be for decades. Many of them are people from modest backgrounds who thought that incurring debt in order to attend college was the responsible choice. Similarly, given the percentage of wealth in this country that’s inherited, there’s nothing inherently “responsible” or virtuous about wealth.

    You can disagree with the proposal on its merits, but this is a poor characterization.

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    Thinking youve made a responsible decision is not what makes it a responsible decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I’ve got to take issue with the characterization of forgiving student loan debt as “redistribution from the responsible to the irresponsible.”

    I know many scrupulously responsible, hard-working people who are paying off student loans and will be for decades. Many of them are people from modest backgrounds who thought that incurring debt in order to attend college was the responsible choice. Similarly, given the percentage of wealth in this country that’s inherited, there’s nothing inherently “responsible” or virtuous about wealth.

    You can disagree with the proposal on its merits, but this is a poor characterization.
    Well, that's nice that you think that. But that doesn't make it so.

    If you borrow money from someone, it is irresponsible to not pay it back. Worse yet, it's ****ed up to demand that others pay it back for you.

    Taking a mortgage on a house can be thought of as responsible. Or an auto loan. Or a night in Vegas. Hell, I lost $18K in stock market last year in an attempt to invest responsibly. Where's my bailout? Why aren't we wiping out mortgage debt? (I'm sure one of our socialist candidates isn't far from proposing it, though)

    Going to school and not getting a math/cis degree is not a responsible decision anymore unless you have a plan to pay for it. Taking out tens of thousands of dollars to buy something that is proving to be more and more worthless is not responsible.

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