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    You dont have enough time for everything I dont support that I am currently forced to fund with taxes.
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    Let's definitely give up our guns


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    Please keep me safe gubment


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    democratic moderates in the driver's seat?

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...democrats.html

    The prevailing mood toward a Biden candidacy has been a combination of anger that he has the temerity to lead a party that has left him behind and sympathy that he’s too addled to grasp his predicament. A genre of op-ed has developed out of liberals pleading with Biden, with such headlines as “Why Joe Biden Shouldn’t Run for President” (The Week, The Guardian); “I Like Joe Biden. I Urge Him Not to Run” (the New York Times); “I Really Like Joe Biden, but He Shouldn’t Run for President” (USA Today); and, as exasperation has sunk in, “Again, Joe Biden, for the Love of God: Do Not Run for President” (The Stranger).

    The poor guy has disregarded all the advice and decided to run anyway. And initial polling has revealed that a large number of Democrats have not left Biden behind at all. He begins the race leading his closest competitors, including early front-runner Bernie Sanders, by as much as 30 points. Perhaps it was the party’s intelligentsia, not Biden, that was out of touch with the modern Democratic electorate.
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    makes me wonder if people like me (who have recently registered as Democrats) are pulling the party a bit to the right

    or perhaps it is a reflection of the pragmatism of many Democratic voters in simply wanting a solid experienced candidate who can beat Trump

    from the article:

    Counterintuitively, House Democrats’ triumph in the midterms may have pushed their center of gravity to the right: The 40 seats Democrats gained were overwhelmingly located in moderate or Republican-leaning districts.

    maybe Mikie Sherrill not AOC should be the poster child for the freshman democratic class
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    As the Democratic Party in 2019 begins to wake up to the fact that its intellectual and activist vanguard is deeply at odds with both its voting base and the vast majority of its elected officials, the politics of Washington and the 2020 primary are shifting in unexpected ways.

    In Congress, Nancy Pelosi survived a campaign in which more than three dozen Democratic candidates, nearly all running in conservative or moderate districts, refused to endorse her for House Speaker. Pelosi, in turn, has embraced the large wing of newly elected centrists that gave her the majority. Pelosi has repeatedly dismissed Ocasio-Cortez and her peers as irrelevant.

    “When we won this election, it wasn’t in districts like mine or Alexandria’s … But those are districts that are solidly Democratic. This glass of water,” she said at one event, hoisting a glass, “would win with a D next to its name in those districts.” In an interview, she repudiated socialism (“I do reject socialism as an economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party”), and when asked about the faction associated with Ocasio-Cortez, she replied, “That’s like five people.”

    Pelosi keeps making this point so insistently and even rudely because, perhaps, the media have kept missing it. Only half of House Democrats support Medicare for All, and slightly fewer representatives support the Green New Deal. (Pelosi’s assessment of the latter — “It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it” — summarized its very dim prospects.) Meanwhile, Pelosi has broken from the left on other high-profile controversies. She has refused to initiate impeachment hearings and held a vote condemning anti-Semitism following Ilhan Omar’s comments accusing Israel supporters of foreign allegiance.
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    Most of the party’s presidential candidates took the claims of the ascendant left at face value when they undertook their campaigns. Candidates like Harris, Booker, O’Rourke, and Elizabeth Warren designed their platforms as if they had to compete ideologically with Sanders. Several of them have already advocated Medicare for All or the Green New Deal, which could expose them to withering attacks from Trump if they win the nomination. Harris told an interviewer that, yes, she would do away with private health insurance. Julián Castro endorsed cash-payment reparations. Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand called for abolishing ICE, before backing off and saying they only wanted to reform it.

    None of these plans stands a chance to pass Congress under the next president, even in the best-case scenario. All of them poll badly. (Medicare for All sounds popular until you tell people it means eliminating private insurance, at which point it grows unpopular.) The candidates seem to have overestimated how much left-wing policy voters actually demand.
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    The long-term question for the left is whether it can build a movement that can dominate in the real world, not just on Twitter and in some magazines. The short-term question is whether it can leverage what power it does have among activists and intellectuals without blowing up an election many Democrats see as an existential fight for the republic.

    indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    democratic moderates in the driver's seat?

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...democrats.html

    The prevailing mood toward a Biden candidacy has been a combination of anger that he has the temerity to lead a party that has left him behind and sympathy that he’s too addled to grasp his predicament. A genre of op-ed has developed out of liberals pleading with Biden, with such headlines as “Why Joe Biden Shouldn’t Run for President” (The Week, The Guardian); “I Like Joe Biden. I Urge Him Not to Run” (the New York Times); “I Really Like Joe Biden, but He Shouldn’t Run for President” (USA Today); and, as exasperation has sunk in, “Again, Joe Biden, for the Love of God: Do Not Run for President” (The Stranger).

    The poor guy has disregarded all the advice and decided to run anyway. And initial polling has revealed that a large number of Democrats have not left Biden behind at all. He begins the race leading his closest competitors, including early front-runner Bernie Sanders, by as much as 30 points. Perhaps it was the party’s intelligentsia, not Biden, that was out of touch with the modern Democratic electorate.

    Biden is a worst case scenario for me. He didnt just sign the 1994 crime bill, he didt just champion it, he wrote the damn thing. ****er also was involved with the launching of the war on drugs. Somehow Democrats are going to nominate the only candidate not for legalization. FML.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Biden is a worst case scenario for me. He didnt just sign the 1994 crime bill, he didt just champion it, he wrote the damn thing. ****er also was involved with the launching of the war on drugs. Somehow Democrats are going to nominate the only candidate not for legalization. FML.
    I think Biden is not going to be the favorite of anyone looking for radical change on any particular issue. He is the candidate of the restorationists. Regressive folk like me.
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    This is what I've been saying for the last 2 years that the Dems would slaughter Trump if they just weren't so ****ing insane.

    But pretty much every candidate but a couple of them are racing to see who can say the craziest policy ideas

    And then the 57s of the world just accept them bc (D)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    This is what I've been saying for the last 2 years that the Dems would slaughter Trump if they just weren't so ****ing insane.

    But pretty much every candidate but a couple of them are racing to see who can say the craziest policy ideas

    And then the 57s of the world just accept them bc (D)
    Besides Biden, I think Klobuchar is on the right track in emphasizing that she is pragmatic (as opposed to ideological). But I don't see any chance for her.

    Biden is catching a break because the other candidates decided they need to out-Bernie Bernie.
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    Don't ya love it when Republicans tell Democrats how to politic
    “You still don’t get it. It ain’t about your money, bro.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Don't ya love it when Republicans tell Democrats how to politic
    ha...well I registered as a Democrat when I got my driver's license renewed...deal with it
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    The latest freakonomics podcast tackles potential solutions to student debt and I'd recommend it if you're open to any idea outside of "gubment pays for it"

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    it is on my queue

    for conversation sake will you give an overview ?
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    I love freakanomics

    my favorite from that book is who abortion lowers the crime rate
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    You dont have enough time for everything I dont support that I am currently forced to fund with taxes.
    no ****ing doubt
    "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. It is a very great mistake to imagine that the object of loyalty is the authority and interest of one individual man, however dignified by the applause or enriched by the success of popular actions.” Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    ha...well I registered as a Democrat when I got my driver's license renewed...deal with it
    my comment was mostly tongue in cheek

    Having said that I think it a mistake for (D) to rush to the center --- seeing how the center today was called Conservative as recently as 10 years ago.

    Based on polling the center is in fact abortion rights,gun control, environmental regulation, weening our nation offf of fossil fuels and rebuilding our ailing infrastructure. To name a few
    What (R) calls with a smirk and centrist (D) with an apology calls, "The Left"
    .................

    I am curious, why did you switch --was it Trump or was it policy(s) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    I love freakanomics

    my favorite from that book is who abortion lowers the crime rate
    I'd imagine killing all children in impoverished cities would do the same

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