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    They insist on taking over every part of our lives they can get their hands on


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    Yes, we must speak out about big government’s imposition into [checks notes] public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yes, we must speak out about big government’s imposition into [checks notes] public schools.
    Let me raise my kid the way I want to and stop intentionally trying to limit the choices I have

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Well, I guess we disagree. If someone is willing to put their life at risk in service of the country, I can at least appreciate that, even if I disagree with the cause
    I just don’t see what the armed forces have done to directly protect my freedom in the past 70 years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I just don’t see what the armed forces have done to directly protect my freedom in the past 70 years or so.
    They haven't.

    I don't blame the soldiers for that. I blame the government, who have done nothing to protect our freedom, and yet you support candidates to continue giving them more power.

    Tulsi wants to end the stupid wars and thats why the mainstream of the party hate her

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    They haven't.

    I don't blame the soldiers for that. I blame the government, who have done nothing to protect our freedom, and yet you support candidates to continue giving them more power.

    Tulsi wants to end the stupid wars and thats why the mainstream of the party hate her
    I don’t blame the soldiers, but I also don’t think they’re owed unconditional reverence. There are certainly some wonderful servicemen/women who have done great things, but just signing on the dotted line isn’t necessarily heroic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I don’t blame the soldiers, but I also don’t think they’re owed unconditional reverence. There are certainly some wonderful servicemen/women who have done great things, but just signing on the dotted line isn’t necessarily heroic.
    You seemed to take issue with my highlighting Tulsi's service overseas as a positive. I'm not sure why. Do you think it is a negative?

    Someone who risks their life and fights in a stupid war has a lot more respect from me than the Clintons and Trumps of the world who send our men and women off to die while refusing to serve themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You seemed to take issue with my highlighting Tulsi's service overseas as a positive. I'm not sure why. Do you think it is a negative?

    Someone who risks their life and fights in a stupid war has a lot more respect from me than the Clintons and Trumps of the world who send our men and women off to die while refusing to serve themselves.
    I don’t think it’s a negative, I just don’t think it’s necessarily a positive either. It makes no difference to me whether someone was in the Air Force or flipped burgers at McDonald’s in their early 20s. At the end of the day, what matters is what you do to help others.

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    A candidate's ability to manage people and communicate to all political stripes is way more important than their own personal ideas about policy. It's a bureaucracy and a republic.

    At the end of the day, social skills are more important than political opinions because ideas have to be sold and support managed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yes, we must speak out about big government’s imposition into [checks notes] public schools.
    yeah, i read that

    and was like, "wut? lol"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You seemed to take issue with my highlighting Tulsi's service overseas as a positive. I'm not sure why. Do you think it is a negative?

    Someone who risks their life and fights in a stupid war has a lot more respect from me than the Clintons and Trumps of the world who send our men and women off to die while refusing to serve themselves.
    Military service consists of 75% waiting to march, 20% walking in a group and 4.5% folding your cloths to specification

    Man I betcha John Kerry is reading this thinking, " man I wish i knew sturg ..."
    But in all seriousness, based on your writing over the years you would have been part of the Swiftboating conga line
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    what Tulsi and her proponents are missing is she took the bait. She is fighting a ghost

    I dont think the ghost has named her by name, yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Let me raise my kid the way I want to and stop intentionally trying to limit the choices I have
    what kid ?

    At some point adulthood is no longer a hypothetical
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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I don’t think it’s a negative, I just don’t think it’s necessarily a positive either. It makes no difference to me whether someone was in the Air Force or flipped burgers at McDonald’s in their early 20s. At the end of the day, what matters is what you do to help others.
    My original point is that Tulsi has the same idiodic economic policies as Warren and Sanders, while having a credible anti-war stance, and without all the baggage. Shes also much more articulate and comes across as more reasonable.

    I think she should be the darling of the extreme left. But she has dared question our FP so she has been buried

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    My original point is that Tulsi has the same idiodic economic policies as Warren and Sanders, while having a credible anti-war stance, and without all the baggage. Shes also much more articulate and comes across as more reasonable.

    I think she should be the darling of the extreme left. But she has dared question our FP so she has been buried
    I think you might want to begin by asking why someone who considered themselves of the left would support Gabbard over Bernie Sanders, and work from there.

    Another thing that I notice is that you often refer to her as “anti-war,” when she’s been pretty consistently pro-“war on terror,” just with the caveat of not supporting imperialist adventurism and big troop footprints. She used to be a go-to guest on Fox News to talk about how Obama was insufficiently aggressive against “radical Islam.” She favored a MORE aggressive drone/spec ops war, which it seems to me was a particular sticking point of yours with Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Let me raise my kid the way I want to and stop intentionally trying to limit the choices I have
    Yeah, I’m just not sure that those choices should include options that are publicly funded but not accountable to the commons. Your choice is to send your (hypothetical) kids to public school, send them to private school, or home-school them. What choices are you being denied?

    One of the conservative buzzwords on education has always been “local control.” If a state or district wants to fund charter schools, ok. Why should it be the federal government’s job to do so, without transparency or accountability? Local $ comes with strings that are voted for by local electorates. Federal $ comes with strings, likewise. Not sure why this is even a controversial statement.

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    Expected to get back here and see volumes on Tulsi backing out of her House seat to pursue a 3rd party run...
    Or taking the drive time 4-6 slot on Fox.

    Still not clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    A candidate's ability to manage people and communicate to all political stripes is way more important than their own personal ideas about policy. It's a bureaucracy and a republic.

    At the end of the day, social skills are more important than political opinions because ideas have to be sold and support managed.


    Good point. It's also why I can be for Warren despite not being for most of her policies. The "right" is going to pretend like all her policies become law the second she is inaugurated as a scare tactic. My prediction is she gets next to nothing passed but still gets the blame for the inevitable recession. Rand Paul wins the Republican nomination as the bridge candidate between the Trump base and sane Republicans.
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    Winner of the popular vote for POTUS:

    B. Clinton
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    Why are Republicans into stopping folks from voting? Because in the last SEVEN elections they have won the popular vote ONE TIME.
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