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    So: Uncertainty is no longer quite so high.

    Biden has the largest lead at this point of any candidate since 1996.

    And the candidate who led at this stage won the popular vote every time since 1976, though they lost the Electoral College twice.*

    The FiveThirtyEight
    nat'l polling average with 36 days until E-Day:


    2020: Biden+7.3
    2016: Clinton+3.7
    2012: Obama+3.6*
    2008: Obama+3.3
    2004: Bush+4.9*
    2000: Gore+0.3
    1996: Clinton+14.3
    1992: Clinton+10.9
    1988: Bush+4.5
    1984: Reagan+16.9
    1980: Reagan+4.6
    1976: Carter+3.3

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    Memory told me Reagan/Carter was closer.
    Hmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    I don't begrudge someone taking advantage of tax law. If we get a bad result from someone's legal use of the tax code then it's the tax code that is the problem. American tax law is rife with issues like this.
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    Already knew he was a grifter, what’s truly shocking about the returns is what is legal,

    not what is illegal. The returns are another glimpse at how our corrupt political system

    is rigged by the wealthy and gamed by the greedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Katrina vandenHeuvel
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    Already knew he was a grifter, what’s truly shocking about the returns is what is legal,

    not what is illegal. The returns are another glimpse at how our corrupt political system

    is rigged by the wealthy and gamed by the greedy.
    The tax system is messed up. I don't know what the answer is and the many proposals out there are where differences of opinion arise.

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    I've been joking with you about Occupy Movement of 10 years ago --- but, here we are ten years later and we have same same

    Perhaps we start listening to candidates that speak on reforming tax structures , income inequality and how they both influence poverty.
    Then we can have all of the differing opinions on the table.
    My guess is the play it safers will drive us into the ground
    over a one time $4000 tax break.

    We as a society have the attention span of a slug
    and no guts for a long haul.

    A history note, Hitler was unafraid of fighting the Americans because ( perhaps rightly so) he didnt think we as a society had the stomach for a drawn out war. (Of course he never saw the Russians coming either. US war sentiment ~1943 is a history pushed to the side)
    I see his point in the 65 years run up to Covid-19.
    Korea
    Viet Nam
    the 1970's gas crisis
    All things Middle East
    Climate issues
    the Crash of 2008

    to name a few
    declare victory get out and go shopping
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I've been joking with you about Occupy Movement of 10 years ago --- but, here we are ten years later and we have same same

    Perhaps we start listening to candidates that speak on reforming tax structures , income inequality and how they both influence poverty.
    Then we can have all of the differing opinions on the table.
    My guess is the play it safers will drive us into the ground
    over a one time $4000 tax break.

    We as a society have the attention span of a slug
    and no guts for a long haul.

    A history note, Hitler was unafraid of fighting the Americans because ( perhaps rightly so) he didnt think we as a society had the stomach for a drawn out war. (Of course he never saw the Russians coming either. US war sentiment ~1943 is a history pushed to the side)
    I see his point in the 65 years run up to Covid-19.
    Korea
    Viet Nam
    the 1970's gas crisis
    All things Middle East
    Climate issues
    the Crash of 2008

    to name a few
    declare victory get out and go shopping
    One of our biggest problems in solving large issues is the fact that Congress has no desire and little incentive to fix things for the future. If the car isn't going to crash until after they've retired, why should they bother doing anything to keep it on the road?

    The fact that we as a society have such short attention spans and so little desire to prepare for the future means we don't hold our representatives' feet to the fire over this either.

    Large issues such as serious tax reform, entitlement reform, or deficit reduction are left as is until there's a crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    One of our biggest problems in solving large issues is the fact that Congress has no desire and little incentive to fix things for the future. If the car isn't going to crash until after they've retired, why should they bother doing anything to keep it on the road?

    The fact that we as a society have such short attention spans and so little desire to prepare for the future means we don't hold our representatives' feet to the fire over this either.

    Large issues such as serious tax reform, entitlement reform, or deficit reduction are left as is until there's a crisis.
    and should someone get in the room with an alternative they meet Koch money and those that worship at their altar of unrestrained capitalism .
    --- Those that have absolutely no problem with the current system.

    So here we are back to campaign reform and monied politics
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    2 new Georgia polls both showing credibly accused creepy joe up by 3

    communism coming to amerika

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    One of our biggest problems in solving large issues is the fact that Congress has no desire and little incentive to fix things for the future. If the car isn't going to crash until after they've retired, why should they bother doing anything to keep it on the road?

    .
    https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/ocasi...ibution-wealth

    But despite bipartisan beliefs to the contrary, Ocasio-Cortez’s “radical agenda” is surprisingly popular. When pollsters asked about AOC’s 70 percent tax proposal, 59 percent of registered voters — including 71 percent of Democrats, 60 percent of independents, and 45 percent of Republicans — said they backed it.
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    there is one. Would welcome others
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    They actually released their tax returns so you or anyone else is welcome to answer that question. Or is it better to ask the question so you can imply wrongdoing rather than answering the question you wanted to raise.
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    I paid in a couple thousand last year, but I actually paid in much more than that through the year. Could this "$750" be something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    They actually released their tax returns so you or anyone else is welcome to answer that question. Or is it better to ask the question so you can imply wrongdoing rather than answering the question you wanted to raise.
    Its just amazing how these public servants always enrich themselves

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    Cool, you had a different point than the one you insinuated with your post

    Since as stated, their taxes are out there

    I can’t figure out why some of us think you’re a fraud lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Its just amazing how these public servants always enrich themselves

    couldnt agree more
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Cool, you had a different point than the one you insinuated with your post

    Since as stated, their taxes are out there

    I can’t figure out why some of us think you’re a fraud lol
    You cannot read

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    I cant fathom how a person would now say "he's a crackhead", he has been doing this for 4 years now. I dont see whats different about last night.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

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