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    Universal DH in 2019

    According to Rosenthal, that had been proposed by the players union

    A universal designated hitter — something the players have sought for more than three decades, according to commissioner Rob Manfred — also was part of the union’s proposal. Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season.

    The owners want to institute a rule where a pitcher must face a minimum of three batters.

    Players say they want the DH in both leagues, as well as, a team to lose better draft benefits for losing so many games by a specified year

    A lowering of a team’s draft position for failing to reach a specified win total in a certain number of seasons is believed to be part of the union’s plan.

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    In case anyone wants to read the full article it’s on The Athletic. Solid read.

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    DH in the NL would get all these mediocre bats on the market signed pretty quickly. Would be a solid move for the players.

    I hope it happens.

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    Blah. Might as well change it to softball. The DH is he baloney!

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    Only suggestion I don't like is the batter facing a minimum of 3 batters. No LOOGY left behind

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    All for the DH. Makes giving out long terms contracts more palatable at the tail end so you dont have to watch a negative in the field.

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    Camargo would become so much more valueable to us with a DH. He could spell so many guys

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    I hate the DH so it would be a really bad thing if it happened. There is so much more to the game when the pitchers has to appear at the plate.

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    i think it's time for the DH in the NL.
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    What possible benefit could the 3+ batters per pitcher rule have for the owners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    What possible benefit could the 3+ batters per pitcher rule have for the owners?
    Speeding up games could bring in more fans. Or some back
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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    What possible benefit could the 3+ batters per pitcher rule have for the owners?
    They view it as something that takes up too much time having multiple pitching changes in an inning. Also, they really did not like what the Brewers did in the post season, having Miley start and face only 1 batter in the first inning, then go to the bullpen

    I'm actually like the idea of the DH in the NL...i'm tired of watching guys like Folty go up to the plate and look absolutely terrible...it''s not only stupid, but it is dangerous to the player...bunting has become a practice that most guys can't do anymore...the days of Glavine putting down perfect bunts are gone...

    We could use Camargo as our DH this season, but also allow him to relieve guys throughout the season, and we don't have to take their bat out of the line up... mainly thinking of guys like Donaldson and Freeman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    What possible benefit could the 3+ batters per pitcher rule have for the owners?
    What I'd like to see is something like this.

    Each pitcher must do one of the following before being removed from the game (excluding injury):

    1. Face three batters regardless of result.
    2. Record two outs.
    3. Retire the final batter of an inning.

    There is a solid argument that relievers who are outstanding in one platoon matchup make the game better, by having the best possible quality pitcher facing the hitter. However, the prevalence of lefty/righty specialists also allows guys to stay in the big leagues who probably wouldn't be there if they couldn't be used in these one batter appearances. I keep thinking back to Jesse Orosco being on rosters well beyond the time when he became eligible for Social Security simply because he was tough on left-handed batters. Peter Moylan is a more recent, right-handed example. And then you have managers like Kapler who will use his entire eight man bullpen in three innings, stretching a three hour game into something beyond four hours. It makes games borderline unwatchable, to the point that any improvement in quality of play is more than offset by the boredom brought on by the down time of mound visits and pitching changes.

    On the DH, it's beyond time for that to happen, and I was one of the biggest proponents of the NL style of play for most of my life. Every single level of baseball outside of the NL uses it. The NL teams are at a disproportionate disadvantage when facing AL teams on the road, as the AL teams are already carrying a DH while the NL teams have more traditional benches. This is magnified in the era of 13 man pitching staffs, as it's tough for a NL team to carry someone who can't at least stand in a position in the field without causing bodily harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depley View Post
    I hate the DH so it would be a really bad thing if it happened. There is so much more to the game when the pitchers has to appear at the plate.
    Lot's of cringing and lack of offense for sure. Pulling pitchers in the 6th to try and score a run is also fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I'll admit I am a dinosaur, but there's no excuse for having the art of bunting disintegrate the way that it has.
    I agree 100%. And the fact that it has warrants the need to move to universal DH.

    Also talking about moving the DL from 10 days back to 15...that would include if a player is options to the minors, he would have to wait at least 15 days to be called back up.
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    I hate the DH, but agree with whoever said that not having it puts the NL at a disadvantage. Might as well get it done. More scoring brings in more fans anyway.

    The 3 batter minimum is creative. I like it.

    The pitch clock is way past due. It needs to be on a scoreboard like the shot clock in basketball, starting at the moment the umpire calls a ball or strike on the previous pitch.

    Batters should lose the option of calling timeout at the plate, or maybe give each batter one timeout per game. Watching AL East hitters hold their hand up for 20 seconds while they dig their cleats in just right is not entertaining.

    I couldn't care less about any of the roster changes outside of the 10 day DL. That needs to go back to 15 days.

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    With the way analytics have evolved the game, it makes no sense for a team to have to burn a bench player every other inning. Just have the DH and save your bench players.

    Also, if I have to watch Folty hit one more time, I’m going to be physically ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    With the way analytics have evolved the game, it makes no sense for a team to have to burn a bench player every other inning. Just have the DH and save your bench players.

    Also, if I have to watch Folty hit one more time, I’m going to be physically ill.
    I have no problem with much in terms of analytics, but I don't see how analytics are really entering into the DH discussion. I agree that it is problematic that benches get burned by pinch-hitting, but that has more to do with the changing nature of roster construction than it does with analytics. I grew up in an era when 10-man pitching staffs were the norm (of course, the average fastball velocity was below 90 mph) and with 7-man benches, most teams carried a pinch-hitting specialist (Smokey Burgess, Manny Mota, etc.). That has changed and it's not all bad.

    But I think forcing pitchers to face more than one guy (I like Dirk Piggler's suggestions) is a good move. I just hope Tony Fossas doesn't hunt me down for writing this. For those of you unfamiliar with Tony, in 12 major league seasons (11 full seasons), his IP only exceeded his number of appearances twice (and one of those seasons had a total of 5 appearances and 5.2 IP).

    For the record, I don't have that much of an issue with the universal DH and my comments about bunting were related more to no one knows how to bunt anymore divorced from any strategic implications of its use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I have no problem with much in terms of analytics, but I don't see how analytics are really entering into the DH discussion. I agree that it is problematic that benches get burned by pinch-hitting, but that has more to do with the changing nature of roster construction than it does with analytics. I grew up in an era when 10-man pitching staffs were the norm (of course, the average fastball velocity was below 90 mph) and with 7-man benches, most teams carried a pinch-hitting specialist (Smokey Burgess, Manny Mota, etc.). That has changed and it's not all bad.

    But I think forcing pitchers to face more than one guy (I like Dirk Piggler's suggestions) is a good move. I just hope Tony Fossas doesn't hunt me down for writing this. For those of you unfamiliar with Tony, in 12 major league seasons (11 full seasons), his IP only exceeded his number of appearances twice (and one of those seasons had a total of 5 appearances and 5.2 IP).

    For the record, I don't have that much of an issue with the universal DH and my comments about bunting were related more to no one knows how to bunt anymore divorced from any strategic implications of its use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Love it when someone else finds a reason to mention Smokey - knew him for a long time, and he was truly a better person than player!!!
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