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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    This isnít a value conversation.

    Itís whether I want that or an elite relief pitcher (which Newk has been).

    Never mind that relief pitchers donít do as well in arbitration if we want to go down that path.
    Elite relief pitcher? Heís been great, but his LOB% is like 99%. He wonít sustain that (obviously). Elite is a strong word and he hasnít earned that yet.

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    While Swarzak was getting us out of a jam today Biddle was having another bad game for Seattle giving up 2 runs on 2 hits and a walk, hbp and wild pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I think you take the mid rotation pitcher and you trade for a high leverage reliever.
    Newk has never shown heís a #3.

    If he becomes that, then yes. I agree. Put him in the rotation. Iím much more confident in his ability to become a lockdown reliever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Elite relief pitcher? Heís been great, but his LOB% is like 99%. He wonít sustain that (obviously). Elite is a strong word and he hasnít earned that yet.
    The degree by which my words are being twisted is unbelievable.

    Of course, he hasnít shown he can sustain this because he just moved to the pen. But in the time heís been in the pen heís been elite (2.62 FIP, 10k/9, less than a walk per 9). I am much more confident he can sustain that than I am that he will become a #3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Elite relief pitcher? Heís been great, but his LOB% is like 99%. He wonít sustain that (obviously). Elite is a strong word and he hasnít earned that yet.
    He didnít say he was an elite RP... he said he has been elite since being moved to the bullpen thus far and he has. You canít argue with that. Will it continue? Maybe or maybe not but he certainly has been an elite RP in a small sample

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Newk has never shown heís a #3.

    If he becomes that, then yes. I agree. Put him in the rotation. Iím much more confident in his ability to become a lockdown reliever.
    I mean he put up 1.9 fWAR last year in his first full season. I don't know what your definition of a 3 is, but I imagine most 3's don't do much better than that. Maybe 2-3 fWAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    Itís June?

    Seems odd to **** on a guy whoís only given up 3 runs in his last 7 starts. Hasnít given up a homer in like 45+ innings.

    If he could figure out how to stop waking so many guys heíd be incredible.
    i mean no one has **** on him. i donít know what youíre talking about.
    that last sentence tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I mean he put up 1.9 fWAR last year in his first full season. I don't know what your definition of a 3 is, but I imagine most 3's don't do much better than that. Maybe 2-3 fWAR.
    yeah he put that up but there were indications he was going to regress. and then he did. i was Newk’s biggest cheerleader for a bit there so it’s not like i’m anti-Newk. i think he still has a shot to be a starter even. but his role as a RP this season has been huge and i think he could easily continue to be an asset there. where as i think he’ll continue to struggle as a starter. with the way the game has been moving, having a guy who i think is a legit weapon out of the pen is a huge contributor to me. it’s not even a slight in the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    yeah he put that up but there were indications he was going to regress. and then he did. i was Newk’s biggest cheerleader for a bit there so it’s not like i’m anti-Newk. i think he still has a shot to be a starter even. but his role as a RP this season has been huge and i think he could easily continue to be an asset there. where as i think he’ll continue to struggle as a starter. with the way the game has been moving, having a guy who i think is a legit weapon out of the pen is a huge contributor to me. it’s not even a slight in the least.
    He regressed over the 2nd half of the season, but still finished with s FIP of 4.15, xFIP of 4.33, and a .273 BABIP.
    Maybe a tad lucky overall, but not outlandishly so. What I saw were marked improvements from his rookie season. And it's possible fatigue took it's toll in the 2nd half of last year as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He regressed over the 2nd half of the season, but still finished with s FIP of 4.15, xFIP of 4.33, and a .273 BABIP.
    Maybe a tad lucky overall, but not outlandishly so. What I saw were marked improvements from his rookie season. And it's possible fatigue took it's toll in the 2nd half of last year as well.
    As with most things there was a massive overreaction to the most recent thing that happened.

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    If he pitched as a starter the rest of this season Newk would pitch better than he did as a starter earlier this year. If he pitched as a reliever the rest of the season he would pitch worse than he has as a reliever. Stop leaning so hard on tiny samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He regressed over the 2nd half of the season, but still finished with s FIP of 4.15, xFIP of 4.33, and a .273 BABIP.
    Maybe a tad lucky overall, but not outlandishly so. What I saw were marked improvements from his rookie season. And it's possible fatigue took it's toll in the 2nd half of last year as well.
    so what was the excuse in ST when he couldn't throw a strike, and then to begin the season when he also couldn't throw a strike, or strike anyone out. even in the minors he wasn't striking guys out.
    i'm all for giving him another shot as a starter. if he can beat out the crop next season it will mean a lot. all i'm saying is he looked great in his RP role and was a huge asset. i'm much more certain he'd continue to be an asset there than as a starter.
    but we'll see. if he can become more than a stuff 4/5 i'll be really happy. if he can't, he's a weapon out of the BP. no downside for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    so what was the excuse in ST when he couldn't throw a strike, and then to begin the season when he also couldn't throw a strike, or strike anyone out. even in the minors he wasn't striking guys out.
    i'm all for giving him another shot as a starter. if he can beat out the crop next season it will mean a lot. all i'm saying is he looked great in his RP role and was a huge asset. i'm much more certain he'd continue to be an asset there than as a starter.
    but we'll see. if he can become more than a stuff 4/5 i'll be really happy. if he can't, he's a weapon out of the BP. no downside for me.

    Newk was/is a pitcher who was mechanically broken. The question is going to be is he fixed. In the pen he is striking out 10+ per 9. So I am completely tossing his stats from the beginning of the year out. He also showed he can carry his success over several innings. His last outing he went 4 and 2/3 of one hit ball and 6 strikeouts against a Pirates team that none of our other pitchers could handle as easily. So he can physically be a starter. I have my doubts he mentally can.
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    Is this the around the league topic? Why are we talking about some fat ass Braves pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinersSBChamps View Post
    Is this the around the league topic? Why are we talking about some fat ass Braves pitcher.
    Hey ya'll! Hide its the 5-0!

    and Newk ain't fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He regressed over the 2nd half of the season, but still finished with s FIP of 4.15, xFIP of 4.33, and a .273 BABIP.
    Maybe a tad lucky overall, but not outlandishly so. What I saw were marked improvements from his rookie season. And it's possible fatigue took it's toll in the 2nd half of last year as well.
    His FIP and xFIP were more or less equal (as was the majority of his stat profile including k/9, bb/9, etc..) in the 1st vs 2nd half (they were actually better in the 2nd by a little), but his BABIP normalized and his batted ball rates switched from 23/45/32% to 9/51/40% (soft, med, hard). Fatigue might've been the case, but IMO teams just figured out you could key in on his breaking stuff and began murdering it since his fastball was so erratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Newk was/is a pitcher who was mechanically broken. The question is going to be is he fixed. In the pen he is striking out 10+ per 9. So I am completely tossing his stats from the beginning of the year out. He also showed he can carry his success over several innings. His last outing he went 4 and 2/3 of one hit ball and 6 strikeouts against a Pirates team that none of our other pitchers could handle as easily. So he can physically be a starter. I have my doubts he mentally can.
    tossing his stats as a starter out seems silly. some guys are great relievers but can't start. it's very common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Hey ya'll! Hide its the 5-0!

    and Newk ain't fat.
    In fact, it looks to me like the dude's lost a good amount of weight... wondering if that's been helping as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    so what was the excuse in ST when he couldn't throw a strike, and then to begin the season when he also couldn't throw a strike, or strike anyone out. even in the minors he wasn't striking guys out.
    i'm all for giving him another shot as a starter. if he can beat out the crop next season it will mean a lot. all i'm saying is he looked great in his RP role and was a huge asset. i'm much more certain he'd continue to be an asset there than as a starter.
    but we'll see. if he can become more than a stuff 4/5 i'll be really happy. if he can't, he's a weapon out of the BP. no downside for me.
    May be it was mechanical. May be it had to something to do with the juiced ball. He certainly never had problems striking people out prior to 2019. Regardless, I wouldn't put too much stock into a month or so worth of stats at the start of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    tossing his stats as a starter out seems silly. some guys are great relievers but can't start. it's very common.
    I am not tossing stats out. I am saying he seems to have fixed his declining K issue as a pitcher. We will now get to see if he fixed it as a starter or is he only good as a reliever.
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