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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    A fair value deal for Kimbrel would be around 14M per year, 2 years with an option for a third (I would not guarantee the third year). Of course for 2019 his salary would have to be prorated. This applies to a scenario where we sign him after the draft.

    The draft pick we give up if we sign him before the draft is worth around 10M. AA should certainly take that into account when deciding whether to sign him before or after the draft and make the appropriate adjustments for what he offers under the two scenarios.
    The Braves 2nd round pick is worth less than $5M

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-updat...e-draft-picks/

    At some point Kimbrel for the prorated portion of 2019 plus 1-2 years needs to happen. The current BP isn’t good enough.

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    It was a mistake not to sign him ages ago, but we still have the opportunity to minimize the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    A fair value deal for Kimbrel would be around 14M per year, 2 years with an option for a third (I would not guarantee the third year). Of course for 2019 his salary would have to be prorated. This applies to a scenario where we sign him after the draft.

    The draft pick we give up if we sign him before the draft is worth around 10M. AA should certainly take that into account when deciding whether to sign him before or after the draft and make the appropriate adjustments for what he offers under the two scenarios.
    We'd give up something around the 60th pick, correct? Those picks aren't worth close to 10 million. Those picks are generally worth well under 5 million in surplus value. According the this article from Georgetown Sports Analysis, they are probably worth something in the range of 1-2 million. https://georgetownsportsanalysis.wor...ry-draft-pick/

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    At some point you have to evaluate the talent given up in order to stabilize the pen before we cough up too many possible wins and wear down the other arms in the pen. That time has officially arrived and I hope AA realizes that and makes the move to sign Kimbrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Who was it that said Newk didn’t have an option left and then vanished rather than explain himself?
    I said I may be reading it wrong and was shown I was, you said Newk had been optioned once before and it showed he had NOT. I stayed and posted in the whole GDT, never went anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    It was a mistake not to sign him ages ago, but we still have the opportunity to minimize the damage.
    sign him she’s ago, for how much?
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    The real questions is...

    When does Newk turn into the 5 win stud tehteh promised he would be?

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    The Braves have done well with their second round picks over the years:

    2018 Jenista
    2017 Waters
    2016 Wentz, Muller
    2015 Riley, Herbert
    2014 Fulenchek
    2013 Caratini
    2012 Wood
    2011 Ahmed
    2010 Cunningham, Simmons
    2009 none
    2008 Stovall, Spruill
    2007 Freeman

    I'd be willing to wait until the draft to sign Kimbrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
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    Back to less enthralled, if I read 2018 stats correctly, his 5 1-2-3 innings came in 22 games pitched. Is that a fair % for a closer?? That's less than 25%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    But I was told we didn't need Kimbrel because our current closer was better, right @AerchAngel?
    But he is hurt.

    Not a good argument, especially with the money wanted and losing a draft pick on top of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The Braves 2nd round pick is worth less than $5M

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-updat...e-draft-picks/

    At some point Kimbrel for the prorated portion of 2019 plus 1-2 years needs to happen. The current BP isn’t good enough.
    He won't take that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    The Braves have done well with their second round picks over the years:

    2018 Jenista
    2017 Waters
    2016 Wentz, Muller
    2015 Riley, Herbert
    2014 Fulenchek
    2013 Caratini
    2012 Wood
    2011 Ahmed
    2010 Cunningham, Simmons
    2009 none
    2008 Stovall, Spruill
    2007 Freeman

    I'd be willing to wait until the draft to sign Kimbrel.
    But we keep getting told that 2nd round picks are worth less than 5M so those players are all trash

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
    Back to less enthralled, if I read 2018 stats correctly, his 5 1-2-3 innings came in 22 games pitched. Is that a fair % for a closer?? That's less than 25%.
    that's a good question...worth doing a comparison w say kimbrel
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    But he is hurt.

    Not a good argument, especially with the money wanted and losing a draft pick on top of it.
    When has he not been hurt?

    And his asking price had dropped considerably, even before the Viz injury. Kimbrel is worth far more to us than a 2nd rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    But we keep getting told that 2nd round picks are worth less than 5M so those players are all trash
    actually the $5M is right overall...the Braves seem to have done better by scoring big hits on Freeman, Simmons and Wood...and some of the recent picks look promising
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    They also weren’t picking 60th when they got those good players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I’d really hate to lose the draft pick and money attached but we need Kimbrel plain and simple if we wanna be competitive. He wants to come home so give him a fair offer and just get it done. The back end of our bullpen is not good at all.
    This was in an article on ESPN today.
    I think it pretty much says it all in regards to what we should do but also why we won’t.
    Hope they prove me wrong.

    Put it this way: Rockies owner Dick Monfort recently said the club tries to hold payroll at 50 to 55 percent of revenue. Let's apply that philosophy to the Braves and their Liberty Media ownership. Forbes estimated the Braves at $344 million in revenue in 2018 (with $71 million in operating profit) and Cot's Contracts estimates $138 million in 2019 player payroll. There should be plenty of room for the Braves to add payroll -- and there seems little doubt they could use Kimbrel in the bullpen. And all this is on top of Liberty Media paying $400 million for the franchise in 2007 -- now valued at $1.7 billion. So will the Braves sign Kimbrel? Given the history of this ownership, probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    They also weren’t picking 60th when they got those good players
    Freeman, Simmons and Wood were all later than 60
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