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    But all the bribery!

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    Trump threatens Schiff - Schiff doesn't blink.

    Oh, excuse me he threatened "shifty Schiff"
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    The way Trump and Barr are lying about all this shows them to be the worst kind of criminals, the really smart, evil and unrepentant kind. They are both traitors to The Constitution and should be thrown in jail, but I doubt that ever happens. The GOP learned from their mistake with Nixon. They are just going to deny the rule of law and lie all the way to their graves.

    OTOH Trump will continue to break laws and norms and he will at some point find an even more egregious line to cross and he will cross it.
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    Trump is following the Clinton impeachment playbook with these quick legislative victories. It's a smart move. He should be careful not to get too agreeable lest he further pisses off McConnell and the other senate Reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    But all the bribery!

    Bribery is an abuse of power when using the US governments leverage.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

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    Trump outlines how he thinks Bill Clinton should have defended himself from impeachment is remarkably similar to what he is doing now.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

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    Republicans talking about impeaching Hillary on day 1......
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

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    The Democrats had a reason to call it "Abuse of Power" instead of bribery. The reason is simple, it wasn't bribery. The exchange of official favors has been determined by the Federal Courts to not be bribery.

    Think about it. Suppose you're a Representative from Kentucky with a strong election challenger looming. There's a factory in your district that makes parts for an outdated weapons system. If this weapons system is cancelled, the factory closes and thousands of jobs are lost. So you make a deal with with the Speaker of the House to support her speakership if she uses her power to ensure the money for this weapons system is included in the next budget.

    You have used your official power (voting for the Speaker of the House) in order to get money funneled to your district to strengthen your re-election campaign. Conversely, the Speaker ensured money was funneled to your district to ensure her election as Speaker.

    Would this be bribery? This kind of situation plays out countless times in DC every day. It's called logrolling. The Courts knew that if they made the exchange of official favors (even those motivated purely by self interest) illegal, they would end up making every member of Congress a criminal. So the Courts said Congress when it passed the bribery laws clearly weren't making themselves criminals and so it clearly was not intended to be applied to the exchange of official favors.

    This put the Democrats in a sticky situation. They felt like they had evidence that Trump did a bad thing but they didn't have evidence of him doing a criminal thing. So they called Con Law experts to testify a crime wasn't required and then used a vague, general term in "Abuse of Power",

    This is why you've seen the term "bribery" fall to the background. Though, legally speaking, it makes little difference. Congress could impeach the President because they didn't like the color tie he was wearing.

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    "Abuse of Power" lol. Contempt of congress. That **** is laughable. Like always, they have nothing. Impotence. Will get stompted 2020. Except in NY, LA, and ATL. Where people suck the teet of mainstream media and pray (else if athiest, then ree) for socialism to save them from their 9-5.

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    Reading and watching clips from yesterdays rally in Hershey where a number of people warned of impending violnce should they not get their way I gleaned this little nugget.





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    Interesting how the side that "says guns don't kill people do" always happen to threaten to kill people with those guns.
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    and this





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    How much they are exactly the same, say the same things and show the same emotions is kinda.....eerie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShwag View Post
    "Abuse of Power" lol. Contempt of congress. That **** is laughable. Like always, they have nothing. Impotence. Will get stompted 2020. Except in NY, LA, and ATL. Where people suck the teet of mainstream media and pray (else if athiest, then ree) for socialism to save them from their 9-5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShwag View Post
    "Abuse of Power" lol. Contempt of congress. That **** is laughable. Like always, they have nothing. Impotence. Will get stompted 2020. Except in NY, LA, and ATL. Where people suck the teet of mainstream media and pray (else if athiest, then ree) for socialism to save them from their 9-5.
    What's laughable about Abuse of Power and Contempt of Congress? Susan McDougal's 18 months in prison for refusing to testify in the Clinton Impeachment were no joke.
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    It’s so weird

    Russia

    Again

    Who could have thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShwag View Post
    "Abuse of Power" lol. Contempt of congress. That **** is laughable. Like always, they have nothing. Impotence. Will get stompted 2020. Except in NY, LA, and ATL. Where people suck the teet of mainstream media and pray (else if athiest, then ree) for socialism to save them from their 9-5.
    Wow

    You seem sane

    Yeah, those cities. That produce all the wealth lol
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    Democrats switching to Republican. This is such a joke. You all have embarassed yourself.

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    Only 42% want Trump kicked out office. And that 42% hate him anyway so the American people are really against this impeachment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Democrats switching to Republican. This is such a joke. You all have embarassed yourself.
    Good riddance. Not because I think impeachment is that important, but because the member that switched parties sucks in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    Good riddance. Not because I think impeachment is that important, but because the member that switched parties sucks in general.
    Democrats in trump districts are getting hammered at home. Polling is flipping against impeachment. I think you all know how poorly this is going to play out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Democrats in trump districts are getting hammered at home. Polling is flipping against impeachment. I think you all know how poorly this is going to play out.
    Polling is completely stagnant on impeachment.

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