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    Yovanovitch: How is it that corrupt foreign interests could manipulate our government?

    I think this is generous framing on her part. chosen one and his cronies actively sought out there corrupt foreigners. They partnered with them. They were NOT duped or manipulated by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Another possibility: chosen one knew there was corruption in Ukraine but didn't have the slightest interest in supporting a robust anti-corruption policy. If he was perhaps he would have expressed an interest in some cases other than the ones involving the Bidens. Sometimes you have to listen for the dog that didn't bark.

    It also bears noting that chosen one's cronies (err representatives) such as Perry, Giuliani, Parnas and Fruman seemed more interested in aligning themselves with the more corrupt and disreputable elements of Ukrainian society. We don't have to get into the details of what all his cronies did. His own actions are sufficiently damning. He removed an ambassador based on a smear campaign from corrupt people who were upset at her work against corruption. It seems very much the case that chosen was not only uninterested in rooting out corruption but indeed very much interested in aligning himself with the corrupt and seeing what he could get out of that.

    Final point: I don't think this is the case but even if chosen one had a legitimate desire to root out corruption (and here some rolling of the eyes is appropriate), it is not legitimate to use that as cover to strongarm a vulnerable country into participating in a disinformation campaign aimed at the American voter. It bears noting that his real ask was for a public announcement of an investigation of the Bidens (in the words of Bill Taylor chosen one wanted Zelenskyy in a "public box"). That is different from an investigation itself. It is a distinction worth remembering. Serious investigations typically don't start with public naming of the targets by the president of a country.

    We all know what went down and no amount of skillful lawyering (and so far I've only seen unskillful lawyering from chosen one's defenders) is going to obscure that.
    I guess the information I posted about moneys being transferred to Hunter and the Kerry's isnt enough evidence for you

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    He's trying to make Yovanovitch cry.
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    This whole ****ing sham is a game of telephone.

    Y'all are so desperate to get Trump out. It's a bad look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This whole ****ing sham is a game of telephone.

    Y'all are so desperate to get Trump out. It's a bad look.
    The President is guilty. That's a worse look.

    I'm not desperate. I don't want him to be removed. I think the GOP should support him till the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    The President is guilty. That's a worse look.

    I'm not desperate. I don't want him to be removed. I think the GOP should support him till the end.
    Guilty of what? Using his constitutionally derived powers? Good luck with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    I think the GOP should support him till the end.
    Looking good for your wish to be granted. Lemmings will lemming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Looking good for your wish to be granted. Lemmings will lemming.
    Yeah...GOP will struggle to find a candidate to take over the reigns in 2025.

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    So this completely non political action required a focus group for the right framing.

    Yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This whole ****ing sham is a game of telephone.

    Y'all are so desperate to get Trump out. It's a bad look.
    I read this in Trump's voice and it did not disappoint. Fit perfectly.
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    Wonder when 57 and Goldy start pumping up Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I guess the information I posted about moneys being transferred to Hunter and the Kerry's isnt enough evidence for you
    So insinuation based on what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    LOL, she isn't a witness for the phone call. What kind of question is that anyways? Since when can anyone "see" a phone call?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This whole ****ing sham is a game of telephone.

    Y'all are so desperate to get Trump out. It's a bad look.
    weird that he blocks all the people that could come and give firsthand info to prove his innocence

    it's a bad look and makes oneself look guilty by all the time blocking people to testify
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wonder when 57 and Goldy start pumping up Fox News.
    excuse me, what?
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