Yah up until about 3 years 45 million. Feels like he is due for TJ any year now. Probably comes back strong but it's still 1 year recovery time.
Yah up until about 3 years 45 million. Feels like he is due for TJ any year now. Probably comes back strong but it's still 1 year recovery time.
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We could potentially have a ton of money coming off the books. JT, oday, Duvall, ender, viz(swarzak),venters.
Even if we pay the same for JD or COF, Swanson and Folty raise (Newk maybe). I think we still have a boat load to spend next year on only a few holes.
Not sure we need to penny pinch while we have a good shot at making a deep playoff run. Oz and Acuna salary now allow us to be aggressive. Not stupid. Just aggressive.
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Despite your inability to spell Camargo and the terrible idea of taking on Greinke, this is a pretty good take.
If JD posts an ~.850 OPS over 140+ games and ends the season healthy, giving him a QO is a no-brainer. Worst case scenario is 1 year of JD at 3B for $19M, and Riley fakes it in LF for another season. Best case scenario is the Braves get a pick, Riley get his shot at 3B, and the Braves go out hunting for a cOF upgrade before ultimately settling on Markakis...who will probably be a Brave until the day he dies.
I am still a huge fan of getting Grandal in Atlanta.
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Depends on the cost and mainly years.
1 year deal, or 3+.
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Grienke is not a desire. Getting peralta is. Not really anyone to pay next year.
Neck next year would be great. He just needs to sit more and be our seventh or eighth based person.
We are very right handed. I think waters and Pache are coming. I think we need a lh corner bat on a one or two year deal.
Not a fan of signing Kimbrel at this point, because we really don't know when he would be at full speed. I would much rather try to acquire a couple of middle of the road relievers to provide bullpen depth. I think between Jackson, Webb, Touki, and Newk we will have a couple of high leverage guys we can depend on.
We may also need to get a starter to burn some innings. Both Fried and Soroka will blow past any reasonable innings increase if they pitch the entire year.
As for next year, I still wonder if Alex promised Donaldson that he would not be offered a QO. He agreed to that one year deal a lot faster than I expected.
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I find knocking Kimbrel for performance and cost and then championing Ian Kennedy to be pretty bizarre.
You are putting all kinds of fingers on those scales and that’s just odd imo.
If there is a bidding war for Kimbrel he will not be a brave, most likely. I don’t care one way or the other aside from the obvious gaping hole that Kimbrel would be hard pressed not to make better.
Lot of guys might do that, but can’t say Ian Kennedy does anything for me. Given how little the Braves were willing to spend on relief options this offseason, royals would have to basically eat all of kennedy’s salary one way or the other it would seem.
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I don't get the idea of performance issues. Aside from walks, he's been basically the same pitcher he's always been. Throwing harder now than what he was at age 23, though down from his career peak. Still striking out hitters at historic rates.
Gladly take Kimbrel back in a heartbeat. Cost be damned.
Paying Kimbrel over 10 mil for less than a full season seems crazy to me. OTOH, his arm is getting some good rest. It's conceivable that if he does get picked up for the last half of the season, that team could get a few months of a very live arm.
Or not.
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If Folty has a few more good outings by the draft then our rotation is in pretty good shape with how Soroka and Fried have pitched. We don’t have any offensive problems so bullpen is the obvious play to spend and Kimbrel is a no brainer to pick up for 8-10 million to finish out the season. You pick up Craig and one of the Giants relievers and we are very dangerous the 2nd half of the season.
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My question would be what else other than relievers would the Braves be buying this trade season?
Barring injury, there is no obvious position to upgrade. I guess the rotation could always be better but who is that upgrade?
Even the bench doesn’t need much work.
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Kimbrel on a reasonable deal would be ok. I would not give that a very good chance though, and who knows how long it would take him to get in mid-season form.
It depends as many have said.
Pay him for the rest of 2019 and let him walk - yes.
Pay him $50M+ for the next 4 years - no.
I would do 2 years and a team option. He will not break us and is still good. I love strong BP and he can deepen our pen
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He has been awesome most of his career. He was horrible late last year and Red Sox fans prayed every time he came in.
Maybe that’s a fluke...but it’s a pretty decent gamble to sign him long term to any kind of money. He might bounce back or he might be that same guy.
Likely raises: Gausman (3M), Folty (2M), Inciarte (2M), Markakis (2M), Flowers (2M), Freeman (1M), Culberson (0.5M), Swanson (2.5M). Total 15M.
We will have to spend on catcher. Perhaps not much if we bring McCann back.
Contracts coming off: Venters (2.25M), Viz (4.8), Donaldson (23), O'Day (9), Blevins (1.5), Joyce (1.25), Tomlin (1.25), Duvall (2.9)
Assuming these guys get replaced by minimum salary players puts us at 92M.
If we add Kimbrel at say 16M in 2020, that puts us at 108M. Adding Donaldson at say 20M puts us at 128M.
Let's say the team has a plan for opening day payroll of 120M. They would have to move some salary to be able to get down to that if they took on both Kimbrel and Donaldson for 2020. There are some possibilities. One is to decline the option on Teheran (or trade him). That would save 12M. If we traded Inciarte it would save 7M.
It obviously becomes a much tougher lift if we want to bid on a big name catcher like Grandal. Then likely something has to give. I don't think we can fold in all three of Kimbrel, Donaldson and Grandal into a 120M opening day payroll.
If instead of Kimbrel we trade for Mychal Givens or Ian Kennedy (and as part of that deal the Royals pick up 10M of his 2020 salary), then carrying both Donaldson and Grandal becomes feasible (we would still have to move Teheran and Inciarte).
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