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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Wow I would have taken a flyer on him for 8.5. He will really get his value up there.
    sounds like he picked the Pads because of the ballpark, so we couldn't have done much to get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Damn, there goes the guy I wanted.

    I'd see if Johan would take a similar deal.
    No indications that Braves even sniffed at Johnson, therefore I seriously doubt they have any interest at all in Santana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Damn, there goes the guy I wanted.

    I'd see if Johan would take a similar deal.
    Santana and Halladay are very different propositions from Josh Johnson. Those guys have serious arm problems and are also much older. Not much value there.

    With Johnson off the board, there really is no free agent out there I'm enthusiastic about. At this point I'd rather go into spring training with a rotation of Medlen, Beachy, Minor, Teheran and Wood. With Hale as the spare.

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    Johnson is toast.

    I predict we sign Bronson Arroyo or Dan Haren as our veteran filer in the rotation
    aka RHT10/Cokeman

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    Still some guys out there I'd take a flyer on. Curious to see if Scott Baker has recovered.

    Agree that Johnson would have been a great fit. Guys I'd look at are Haren, Harang, Kazmir, and Hughes.

    Anyone know how badly James McDonald's shoulder injury was and if he's recovered? He'd be a good low-risk guy if he's healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Guys I'd look at are Haren, Harang, Kazmir, and Hughes.
    Are any of those guys likely to be better than Wood in 2014? If not, are we signing them as depth/pen guys?

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    Better or better value? I think the chances of Haren and Kazmir being better than Wood are probably at least 50/50. Harang and Hughes probably less so.

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    Daniel Murphy just got 2\12 contract from the Indians for hitting .220\.282\.374 last year. What does that do to Uggla's value? I wouldn't think it could hurt it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Better or better value? I think the chances of Haren and Kazmir being better than Wood are probably at least 50/50. Harang and Hughes probably less so.
    Better. I didn't ask about better value because the answer there is pretty obvious. Yeah. Haren and Kazmir are pretty good. Harang I just don't see as adding much. Hughes is intriguing. I guess the issue with these guys might be how many years they can get in this market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Daniel Murphy just got 2\12 contract from the Indians for hitting .220\.282\.374 last year. What does that do to Uggla's value? I wouldn't think it could hurt it...
    Looking better all the time. Isnt much of a stretch to see us eating no more than half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Better. I didn't ask about better value because the answer there is pretty obvious. Yeah. Haren and Kazmir are pretty good. Harang I just don't see as adding much. Hughes is intriguing. I guess the issue with these guys might be how many years they can get in this market.
    The key question. Of these guys, I think Harang is the only guy who would settle for one. He'd be a veteran presence and maybe that's about it. I think his upside is that he can eat some innings when healthy.

    Interesting deal for Murphy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Daniel Murphy just got 2\12 contract from the Indians for hitting .220\.282\.374 last year. What does that do to Uggla's value? I wouldn't think it could hurt it...
    Uggla makes more than 2X that, is a worse hitter, and much worse defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    No indications that Braves even sniffed at Johnson, therefore I seriously doubt they have any interest at all in Santana.
    Surprising not to hear the Braves mentioned at all in relation to Johnson. Makes me wonder who they are looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Surprising not to hear the Braves mentioned at all in relation to Johnson. Makes me wonder who they are looking at.
    Wren has said he doesn't see much value in this year's crop of free agents. The salary inflation we've seen so far has probably reinforced that view. My guess is they will make a trade for a pitcher.

    Who might that pitcher be? The Bravos already tried to acquire Lohse last season. So he is one possibility. We have an extra young catcher in Bethancourt. But the Brewers seem set at catcher with Lucroy.

    There are other possibilities that have not received much discussion. If the Cubs fail to reach a long-term deal with Samardzija, they might put him on the market. I like his upside. A package involving Bethancourt and a pitching prospect not named Sims might be a fair deal for both teams.

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    Count me among those who just doesn't trade Bethancourt.

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    Bethancourt hasnt played above AA. Seems that even tho he is one our top prospects I doubt he has much value to ML teams yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Bethancourt hasnt played above AA. Seems that even tho he is one our top prospects I doubt he has much value to ML teams yet.
    He's probably our second most valuable prospect after Sims.

    I'm inclined to make him available since we have Gattis under team control for the next five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    He's probably our second most valuable prospect after Sims.

    I'm inclined to make him available since we have Gattis under team control for the next five years.
    Gattis is 26-27, while Bethancourt is 22 and not near his prime.

    CB is off limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    He's probably our second most valuable prospect after Sims.

    I'm inclined to make him available since we have Gattis under team control for the next five years.
    And Gattis could turn into Ron Karkovice. I fear that Gattis will not flourish with greater exposure. He looks to be better behind the plate than advertised, but if he gets 500 ABs while catching, is he going to be a .750 OPS guy. I still see him as a 300 AB - 350 AB guy who has diminishing marginal return after that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Gattis is 26-27, while Bethancourt is 22 and not near his prime.

    CB is off limits.
    I'm not focusing on the age difference. What matters more is that they will overlap in terms of pre-arb years. Likely overlap four of their six pre-arb seasons. That's not an optimal use of a valuable asset. Imagine if Freddie Freeman and Jason Heyward were "sharing" first base. Everyone would be calling for one to be traded. We don't have to make a decision this off-season. But if both develop we will have to decide at some point which horse to ride.

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