Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

[skidlee]

So everyone is happy with Beachy and his 5.6 IP per start avg?

[thethe]

Loshe is still the best option IMO.

Lackey is out there and I wouldn't be crazy about getting him but he would bring very good depth and be a vet for the young guy.

I would even talk to the dodgers are Josh Beckett.

I doubt the braves sign one. All the good options are gone now with Josh Johnson, Hudson, and Hughes all signed.

It more then just what could they being on the field that we need to look at.

I'd take Lohse but I would suspect in this market at his contract the Brewers would demand a lot. What would you be willing to give up?

[Hudson2]

Heyward said J Up was a pipe dream last year to. There's a reason why Wren let Hudson go. Yeah I know he got a lot of money but he would of taken less to stay. Wren is after a bigger fish IMO.

[thethe]

So everyone is happy with Beachy and his 5.6 IP per start avg?

Isn't he the projected 4th or 5th starter? He was getting much better than that prior to his injury also in 2012.

Are we going to get 6-7 innings per start from our top 3?

[skidlee]

I'd take Lohse but I would suspect in this market at his contract the Brewers would demand a lot. What would you be willing to give up?

I woud give them Beachy and a low arm. Or Terdo, Hale, and Lamm.

[bravesnumberone]

Solid acquisition for the Nats.

[Heyward]

Loshe is still the best option IMO.

Lackey is out there and I wouldn't be crazy about getting him but he would bring very good depth and be a vet for the young guy.

I would even talk to the dodgers are Josh Beckett.

I doubt the braves sign one. All the good options are gone now with Josh Johnson, Hudson, and Hughes all signed.

It more then just what could they being on the field that we need to look at.

I like Lohse but they are probably asking alot.

Lackey i wouldnt mind at all actually but his league-minimum deal in 2 years make him hard to get.

Beckett's shoulder is cooked.

Again, im really not sure who we can get.

[cajunrevenge]

Dont make the mistake of over simplifying how to improve a team. Virtually the entire team is 30 or younger next year. Improvement should come just from doing nothing.

[Heyward]

So everyone is happy with Beachy and his 5.6 IP per start avg?

Pitchers dont get better?

[skidlee]

Isn't he the projected 4th or 5th starter?

Are we going to get 6-7 innings per start from our top 3?

You tell me. I don't know. People are acting like Beachy is a top flight SP and he isn't. He is a 5 inning pitcher.

[skidlee]

Pitchers dont get better?

So a guy coming off TJ surgery and then an other clean up surgery is going to all of a sudden be a better pitcher then his avg of 5.6 IP per start?

[Heyward]

Heyward said J Up was a pipe dream last year to. There's a reason why Wren let Hudson go. Yeah I know he got a lot of money but he would of taken less to stay. Wren is after a bigger fish IMO.

I also didnt think Towers would eventually cave and not demand Simmons.

We dont have what it takes for Price unless FW hurts the big league team.

[thethe]

You tell me. I don't know. People are acting like Beachy is a top flight SP and he isn't. He is a 5 inning pitcher.

He wasn't a 5 inning pitcher in 2012. Man, you need lighten up. The sky is not falling on December 2nd. Braves are a young team and like Cajun said got better just because of natural progression.

[skidlee]

I like Lohse but they are probably asking alot.

Lackey i wouldnt mind at all actually but his league-minimum deal in 2 years make him hard to get.

Beckett's shoulder is cooked.

Again, im really not sure who we can get.

Lackey's league minimum deal doesn't follow him if he is traded.

[Heyward]

So a guy coming off TJ surgery and then an other clean up surgery is going to all of a sudden be a better pitcher then his avg of 5.6 IP per start?

Yes.

[gilesfan]

Foster for Krol, Lombo, Ray according to sources.

Which makes absolutely nonsense for Tigers. LOOGY, 25th man, and a C+ prospect

[CrimsonCowboy]

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP 1m
The Nats acquired Doug Fister from the Tigers for Robbie Ray, Steve Lombardozzi and Ian Krol, per a source.

[skidlee]

He wasn't a 5 inning pitcher in 2012. Man, you need lighten up. The sky is not falling on December 2nd. Braves are a young team and like Cajun said got better just because of natural progression.

I am not saying the sky is falling. I am just bringing up things that this board doesn't want to talk about. Beachy and Wood might not be the pitchers everyone thinks they will be next year. People don't like me saying that.

[thethe]

Sounds like the Tigers were feeling the dollar crunch there.

[skidlee]

Yes.

If you say so.