I'd prefer my recent BJ history be left OUT OF THIS!Originally Posted by stpeteirish
I'd prefer my recent BJ history be left OUT OF THIS!
Someone's going for Chairman of the Flirts, too.jpx, I'd rather have Choo on my team than anyone else here.
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Rays are close to a multi-year agreement with James Loney
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Omar Infante is close to an agreement on a four-year deal for about $30 million with the Kansas City Royals.
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I like the Loney and Infante signings. The Rays and Royals done good.
Wren must not think fixing 2B is as big of a need as I do. This deal for Infante could be matched and he is the last clear FA upgrade at 2B available, so Wren must be ready to rotate Pena, TLS, Pastor and Uggla through 2B and see if any of them can produce.
My guess: Wren will be desperate for an upgrade at 2B by the deadline.
My guess is that he talked to every team needing a 2nd baseman and couldnt find anyone needing 25M in their Xmas stocking.
Signing Infante to a 4 year deal with Uggla on the team already making a ton is not a wise move if you can't move him.
30 million for infante is insane.
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7.5 mil a year is a great price for a player like Infante who will probably average 2 WAR/year over the course of the contract.
I like Infante but thats too much.
Especially with Uggla already on the books.
I'd love to get Kendrick if they can dump Uggla.
His contract is perfect.
Why does it matter if Uggla is on the books already? The concept of "sunk cost" needs to be understood by a lot more people it seems.
Uggla is going to be paid $13M next year whether he is sitting on the bench, sitting in AAA, or in the lineup hitting .185 and striking out every other AB. He is a sunk cost, so move on and get someone in here to provide production at 2B.
2B is broken, and it doesn't matter if Uggla makes $1M or $100M...it needs to be fixed.
We're a mid-payroll team, we cant sign everyone.
We have to rely on our prospects, younger players to produce.
Whose to say TLS cant be that?
Actually Uggla is not a completely sunk cost. Most of the projections systems have him being better than a replacement player. For 2014 they project an OPS of about .710. With his negative defense factored in they have him at a 1 to 1.5 WAR player.
The projection systems like La Stella more than Uggla in 2014.
It isn't unreasonable to project that the Braves group of in-house second basemen will be able to generate about 2 WAR in 2014.
In evaluating whether it would be a good idea to sign Infante it turns out to be quite important whether you believe the in-house solutions will produce 2 WAR or zero WAR.
Let's say you expect Infante to be a 3 WAR player. If the in-house solutions are expected to produce 2 WAR then you are only improving by 1 WAR in picking up Infante. The price might be a bit too steep in that scenario. If you believe the in-house solutions will yield zero WAR, then signing Infante looks like a pretty cost-effective move.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-13-2013 at 07:35 PM.
Because we don't have unlimited funds. We are paying Uggla that money regardless it seems. Paying Infante or someone else several million on top of that is pointless since we have a guy that should be ok at league minimum.
The Infante deal isnt that bad in my opinion. I would have been fine with the Braves signing him to that so long as he agreed to be a utility man and we didnt guarantee him the starting 2B job. I wish we cou;d sign 2 Omar Infante's, one for 2B and one for utility.
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I see what you saying, but $7.5MM for a utility player is a luxury that the Braves cannot afford.
Why stop at 2.
With a team of 25 Infantes the Braves would conquer the world.
I would've signed Omar just because he has All-Star on his credentials.
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