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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    I'd probably trade Anderson OR Kyle Wright but not either of those plus Pache. That's silly.

    I have no objection moving Anderson or Wright for someone who has performed like a fringe ace with four years of team control remaining. Cashing in a possible #2 for an established #2 with that much control seems unobjectionable.

    I'm maybe still low on Pache compared to the sudden talk of him being a top 20 guy, but I don't see how the Braves could move him at this point. I'd also be holding Waters for the moment to see where he goes from here.

    If the braves think any of them have peaked in value though, then that is another story, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Yes. Castillo is a middle of the rotation starter who has gotten lucky this year.
    Wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    You only need three for the postseason.
    True. But you want four that you feel comfortable choosing from, given injuries etc.

    If they return to health and form, I'm good with Gauman and Folty being among those options. But that is a significant if, and July is running out of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    True. But you want four that you feel comfortable choosing from, given injuries etc.

    If they return to health and form, I'm good with Gauman and Folty being among those options. But that is a significant if, and July is running out of days.

    I think I'm willing to wager on those guys being in postseason rotation rather than acquiring another #4 starter at cost. I don't think there is any WS or bust urgency to this season.

    If they can acquire a front end guy with some control, I'd be more willing to pay.

    Will say, I'm coming around on Stroman a bit. That would sort of put it in the BABIP gods hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Yeah he’s saying he wouldn’t even just trade Anderson for him and he isn’t near as high on him as most here...
    If Anderson can bring in a haul, we should trade him. I worry about his lack of a 3rd quality pitch and his control issues. At AA, a dude with his skill set should not be walking guys the way he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Wrong
    Yeah if he's a middle of the rotation starter that has gotten lucky, then Soroka has gotten lucky to some extent too.

    Castillo: 2.41 ERA, 3.67 FIP, 3.72 xFIP
    Soroka: 2.24 ERA, 2.95 FIP, 3.60 xFIP

    Soroka's xFIP-ERA split is even bigger. Although FIP probably does tell the story better on him.
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    Castillo is definitely good, but he also has gotten lucky this year. It's ok to say both are true.
    "Acuna is getting lucky, just like CJ did when he batted .321 and won a batting title. He is unlikely to get lucky at the MLB level over an extended period of time. He will settle in around .300-.320 just like everyone else, and when he does, he won't be within shouting distance of the 1.000 OPS he is posting in AAA...more like low .700s in 2018." -Enscheff 8/25/17

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    If Anderson can bring in a haul, we should trade him. I worry about his lack of a 3rd quality pitch and his control issues. At AA, a dude with his skill set should not be walking guys the way he is.
    Think his walk rate is something like 2.5 over his last 50 IP.

    I'm as interested as anyone else to see what happens when he is promoted.

    But sure, if somebody wants to swap you a #2 with four years of control for him, it's probably a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl View Post
    Yeah if he's a middle of the rotation starter that has gotten lucky, then Soroka has gotten lucky to some extent too.

    Castillo: 2.41 ERA, 3.67 FIP, 3.72 xFIP
    Soroka: 2.24 ERA, 2.95 FIP, 3.60 xFIP

    Soroka's xFIP-ERA split is even bigger. Although FIP probably does tell the story better on him.
    It'll absolutely be a haul, but I'd definitely give up a lot for him. I'm just not about Anderson/Wright AND Pache/Waters. I'm more than fine with overpaying a bit, the guy is really good.

    Castillo-Keuchel-Soroka-Fried-Folty/Gaus/Teheran is a damn good rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Yes. Castillo is a middle of the rotation starter who has gotten lucky this year.
    Im on the same page with you about the package but on no planet is a guy with 4 decent pitches with upper 90s heat and traditionally good control whos only 26 a middle of the rotation starter

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Castillo is definitely good, but he also has gotten lucky this year. It's ok to say both are true.
    It was the middle of the rotation comment more than the luck comment Im sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyTrain View Post
    If Anderson can bring in a haul, we should trade him. I worry about his lack of a 3rd quality pitch and his control issues. At AA, a dude with his skill set should not be walking guys the way he is.
    Hes barely walking anyone lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Talk about a massive package for a player. We'd have to trade AA's firstborn
    Still catching up on this thread over the last couple of days.

    Please tell me someone made a Stroman joke about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    We need this to happen just so we can bring back the Wood thread titles. Would be bigger than Stroman
    That is quite a feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Still catching up on this thread over the last couple of days.

    Please tell me someone made a Stroman joke about this.
    I am supremely disappointed with this board.

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    FIP undersells Castillo, imo. He is a high strikeout and high GB pitcher who gives up weak contact. His high BB rate skews his FIP but the groundballs and K's overcome that a lot. To me he has pitched at the same level that Soroka has this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    That is quite a feet.
    We ain't talking feet here bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    FIP undersells Castillo, imo. He is a high strikeout and high GB pitcher who gives up weak contact. His high BB rate skews his FIP but the groundballs and K's overcome that a lot. To me he has pitched at the same level that Soroka has this season.
    Castillo has a groundball rate of 55.9% this year compared to 51.5% for his career and 45.9% in 2018. It seems to me some regression in the groundball rate is likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    The two rehab starts Gausman has made speaks to him being back on his game. You plug him in for Wilson and you have a rotation you can take to the bank. You only need three for the postseason.

    Now go get a bullpen stud.
    While I'm not willing to declare Gausman "back" after 7 IP in AAA, this is what I hope happens. Soroka, DK, Gausman and a well rested Fried or "fixed" Folty is going to be pretty good. Nothing available on the trade market other than Thor will be a big enough upgrade over any of those guys to warrant the cost.

    AA...go get Will Smith.
    I think he (Teheran) finishes with a FIP ~3.3. -CrazyTrain 3/25/2019

    Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us -CrazyTrain 11/20/2018
    BB/9 with Braves: 2.72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    While I'm not willing to declare Gausman "back" after 7 IP in AAA, this is what I hope happens. Soroka, DK, Gausman and a well rested Fried or "fixed" Folty is going to be pretty good. Nothing available on the trade market other than Thor will be a big enough upgrade over any of those guys to warrant the cost.

    AA...go get Will Smith.
    Speaking of giants... they're now 46-49 and 3 games out of WC. There are 5 teams ahead of them, but they play 1 today. If they have another good week, they could be a real WC threat. I'm interested in what they do if they get within 2 games or so

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