2019 Trade Deadline Thread:

[thethe]

Zaidi apparently saying the Giants could be buyers come the deadline. That would be a game changer.

Thats what I would expect a seller to say....

[thethe]

The part I like about getting Wheeler the most is that he is a local kid and pitching close to home may end up having an impact on his FA deal. Of course those chances are ridiculously small but you never know. Braves have an embarrassment of financial flexibility.

[UNCBlue012]

Zaidi apparently saying the Giants could be buyers come the deadline. That would be a game changer.

That would be one of the dumbest things they could possibly do.

[Carp]

The part I like about getting Wheeler the most is that he is a local kid and pitching close to home may end up having an impact on his FA deal. Of course those chances are ridiculously small but you never know. Braves have an embarrassment of financial flexibility.

If he pitches like we hope (Good No. 2, borderline No. 1), he'll likely command a 100+ million dollar contract. If he pitches more like the 3-4 he's been most of his career, I'll doubt we'll have much interest in keeping him. In either scenario, it's unlikely we'll commit a substantial amount of money to Wheeler considering our pitching depth and the fact that Wheeler will be 30 next year. Long term contracts to pitchers in their 30's turn out bad probably 80 percent of the time.

[Jaw]

So are we back to pretending that a market rate extension for a trade target somehow makes that player more valuable?

[Enscheff]

So are we back to pretending that a market rate extension for a trade target somehow makes that player more valuable?

It's as consistent as gravity.

The one thing we can hope for with any trade involving a Mets pitcher is that their medical staff is probably the worst in the sport. Any team acquiring one of their pitchers is likely counting on the fact that their medical staff is far superior and should be able to keep those guys on the mound for more IP than Mets have managed to do.

[cajunrevenge]

So are we back to pretending that a market rate extension for a trade target somehow makes that player more valuable?

I heard a rumor that not every player signs for the perceived market value.

[nsacpi]

I heard a rumor that not every player signs for the perceived market value.

It happens. But in a case like Wheeler, if he wants to give us a discount I imagine he will whether or not we trade for him. So the value of the trade is not a derivative of the possibility of a hometown discount.

McCann for example gave us a discount. Without our having traded for him.

[Southcack77]

It happens. But in a case like Wheeler, if he wants to give us a discount I imagine he will whether or not we trade for him. So the value of the trade is not a derivative of the possibility of a hometown discount.

McCann for example gave us a discount. Without our having traded for him.

I think it's kind of a fool's errand to put a lot of stock into home town discounts.

With that said, you're most likely to get one from someone that is very familiar with your organization. Like McCann (though I wonder how much of a discount that really was).

That's the only small advantage I think trading for a guy you might want to re-sign could bring. He maybe gets to have a positive experience with your club and you get to feel him out for fit.

But I think that makes a little more sense in a league like the NBA where salaries are a little more obvious. And we just saw that fail for Toronto despite delivering the best possible experience.

[nsacpi]

I think it's kind of a fool's errand to put a lot of stock into home town discounts.

With that said, you're most likely to get one from someone that is very familiar with your organization. Like McCann (though I wonder how much of a discount that really was).

That's the only small advantage I think trading for a guy you might want to re-sign could bring. He maybe gets to have a positive experience with your club and you get to feel him out for fit.

But I think that makes a little more sense in a league like the NBA where salaries are a little more obvious. And we just saw that fail for Toronto despite delivering the best possible experience.

I guess Uggla gave us one.

[Braves1976]

Cashner might be a more realistic target than Wheeler.

[Southcack77]

Cashner might be a more realistic target than Wheeler.

should not cost much. or anything.

[nsacpi]

Cashner might be a more realistic target than Wheeler.

3.83 ERA 4.88 xFIP
.256 BABIP against

caveat emptor

[nsacpi]

Wheeler 4.69 ERA 3.81 xFIP

I go with the guy with the better xFIP. Depending on price of course. But in the case of Wheeler vs Cashner, I'm not sure how Cashner is an improvement over a number of in-house options.

[Southcack77]

Wheeler 4.69 ERA 3.81 xFIP

I go with the guy with the better xFIP. Depending on price of course. But in the case of Wheeler vs Cashner, I'm not sure how Cashner is an improvement over a number of in-house options.

Stat du jour, though maybe a week or two dated now. From earlier post:

xwOBA

Syndegard .272
Greinke .284
Stroman .290
Minor .291
Boyd .292
Wood .293 (2018) 9.65m
Wheeler .303
Means .307
Bundy .313
Roark .315 10m
Bauer .315
Ray .318
Kluber .329
Bumgarner .332
Leake .348
Cashner .350
Sanchez .361

[nsacpi]

Stat du jour, though maybe a week or two dated now. From earlier post:

xwOBA

Syndegard .272
Greinke .284
Stroman .290
Minor .291
Boyd .292
Wood .293 (2018) 9.65m
Wheeler .303
Means .307
Bundy .313
Roark .315 10m
Bauer .315
Ray .318
Kluber .329
Bumgarner .332
Leake .348
Cashner .350
Sanchez .361

I would make an effort on Syndegaard, Stroman, Boyd and Wheeler assuming their teams make them available. Could be the price is unreasonable on all of them, in which case we should take our chances on our in-house starting pitcher options.

[Braves1976]

should not cost much. or anything.

that is partly why he might be worth looking into.

[Braves1976]

Wheeler 4.69 ERA 3.81 xFIP

I go with the guy with the better xFIP. Depending on price of course. But in the case of Wheeler vs Cashner, I'm not sure how Cashner is an improvement over a number of in-house options.

Cashner looks to be back to his 2017 form with Texas. He probably wouldn't move the needle much but could replace Fried in the rotation or help at the back end of the rotation.

[Carp]

I think it's kind of a fool's errand to put a lot of stock into home town discounts.

With that said, you're most likely to get one from someone that is very familiar with your organization. Like McCann (though I wonder how much of a discount that really was).

That's the only small advantage I think trading for a guy you might want to re-sign could bring. He maybe gets to have a positive experience with your club and you get to feel him out for fit.

But I think that makes a little more sense in a league like the NBA where salaries are a little more obvious. And we just saw that fail for Toronto despite delivering the best possible experience.

I find it extremely unlikely the odds of him giving us a discount are tremendously influenced by 2-3 months in Atl.

[cajunrevenge]

It happens. But in a case like Wheeler, if he wants to give us a discount I imagine he will whether or not we trade for him. So the value of the trade is not a derivative of the possibility of a hometown discount.

McCann for example gave us a discount. Without our having traded for him.

I think we have a better chance of signing him if we have that exclusive negotiation time. If he hits FA I dont see him signing here.


Stroman has said he wanted an extension with Toronto so he might also be someone who would sign an extension.