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Hold on a second. Presumably the minors are there to help any player selected with that pick. Whether it be Langeliers, Hunter, Carroll, Rutledge or Manoah. The question is which one can potentially improve the most with expert instruction. That's how I see it. I'm not arguing that Langeliers or any player is a finished product.
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Eh....really any player by the nine pick had some warts. He saved us enough money to nab some other players also. Should at worst be a back up catcher. As long as he doesn’t flame out and if one of those other picks signed with the money saved turns out...it will be good.
i think a floor of Austin Hedges isn't bad and i can see that. not much with the bat but his defense allows him to put up seasons of over 2 fWAR. plus he's only 26 and catchers are weird, so his bat could improve. need to be really patient with catchers, especially great defensive ones IMO.
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Of course, but the player is already pretty solid comparatively to those guys. He isn’t a low ceiling player at all. It’s more high floor. He has pop and we have heard the data on the swing , so if that clicks you are looking at a pretty high ceiling as well.
The low ceiling projections from the negative nancies is overplayed.
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The best case on Bishop is probably .260 40 HRs average defense in LF.
The best case on Langeliers is probably .270 20 HRs, top end defense at C.
One of those is a better bat, but not sure which is the better overall player. Depends on one's outlook and valuation of defense and position scarcity.
Probably pretty low on both, like most prospects.
I know people around here got hard over Carroll for some reason (and to be fair, I probably liked Rutledge more than he actually deserved), but the draft really lacked a depth of players to dream on. There just were not a ton of guys after the first 6 or 7 that checked all the boxes.
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jpx7 (06-21-2019)
The downside for any player is bust. And college catchers with seemingly low downside taken in the first round also bust. Completely. Does the name Tony Sanchez ring a bell? That's part of the reason why in the first round you focus on ceiling not floor. The floor for any player is total bust, no matter how seemingly polished and advanced they may seem.
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correct. this is what i don't understand and have been saying. Langeliers' ceiling isn't nearly as low as people seem to think. and i don't think the 8 picks in front of Langeliers all went for highest possible upside. you simply have to factor in risk as well when picking in the top-10. risk is much lower than on someone like Bishop IMO and upside isn't much lower.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
At the risk of seemingly being inconsistent, while I think ceiling should be the main consideration in the first round, I've always thought floor can come into play more at the very top of the draft. The top 4 or 5 players. This is because at that end of the draft all the players have very high ceilings and it is reasonable to look at their floors too in trying to distinguish between them. And that kind of thought process might have tipped the scales toward Vaughn over Bleday and Abrams.
Obviously I don't have all the information the teams do, but for me the top 2 guys in this year's draft were Rutschman and Abrams.
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jpx7 (06-21-2019)