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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    you don't see Camargo as a possibility? i think rebuilding teams would be more interested in him than those other guys you listed.
    Yes he is. Just overlooked him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirkPiggler View Post
    I don't think AA would want to give up a valuable bench piece with a recent track record as a decent starter. Depth was one of the biggest weaknesses last year.
    It is definitely something AA would take into account. I suspect at the end of the day we will deal away prospects. But there is a chance we could deal away someone on the roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    i'm thinking we'd look acquire more reliable, better depth if he were dealt. right now, he's not even good depth. but a re-building team could see him as a legit piece.
    Camargo is not good depth? Wow. Tough crowd.

    I shudder at some of the suggested deals for Stroman being suggested. I realize I am a prospect hog, but I don't think we should include any of our top ten prospects in a deal for him.

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    Ender is a gold glove center fielder one year removed from a 200 hit year. If you think his bat plays up as even average...he’s worth something...especially with his contract.

    In taking Gausman they would basically be gaining back a pitcher with another year of control..they might do that(doubtful). Would be the best case for us.

    It will probably be Inciarte+ a couple of our pitchers plus Demeritte/Duvall & one none top ten prospect.

    We have a lot of assets to burn right now.. We can do this deal and not even blink, while keeping most/all of our top ten in tact.

    This doesn’t net us an ace, but is a much better option than Madbum to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    Ender is a gold glove center fielder one year removed from a 200 hit year. If you think his bat plays up as even average...he’s worth something...especially with his contract.

    In taking Gausman they would basically be gaining back a pitcher with another year of control..they might do that(doubtful). Would be the best case for us.

    It will probably be Inciarte+ a couple of our pitchers plus Demeritte/Duvall & one none top ten prospect.

    We have a lot of assets to burn right now.. We can do this deal and not even blink, while keeping most/all of our top ten in tact.

    This doesn’t net us an ace, but is a much better option than Madbum to me.
    Ender has never had a season with the Braves with a wRC+ or OPS+ above 100. He's a slightly below to below average bat. He has three straight years of 3 win baseball before this season, though, so I don't think he is valueless on the market. But I don't know how seriously teams are going to take his rough start to this season.

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    People seem to forget that Braves have given up on Folty and have no room for Duvall. That's an all-star pitcher and a 2nd Gold Glove outfielder. Include Inciarte and one top pitching prospect (maybe even Davidson or Beck) this can get done.

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    A lot of small sample takes in the last few posts. Camargo--ignoring 2017 & 2018. Inciarte--ditto. Folty--ditto.

    All three are best assessed based on their entire body of work over 2017-2019. The three year picture is a much more accurate take on what they are likely to give us in the second half than the three month picture. Way too early to give up on valuable players who we will likely be turning to in the second half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Camargo is not good depth? Wow. Tough crowd.
    right now? no. he's at -0.4 WAR on the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    right now? no. he's at -0.4 WAR on the year.
    so what is "right now" for Riley
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    A lot of overvaluation of Braves assets going on in this thread...

    Rule of thumb: if fans are fine with a trade package, it's too little value.

    The Braves aren't getting Marcus Stroman for the spare parts the Braves no longer want/need.
    I think he (Teheran) finishes with a FIP ~3.3. -CrazyTrain 3/25/2019

    Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us -CrazyTrain 11/20/2018
    BB/9 with Braves: 2.72

    Fried, Newk and a couple other guys for Bumgarner and give him a pay day for 6ish years -CrazyTrain 10/15/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    A lot of small sample takes in the last few posts. Camargo--ignoring 2017 & 2018. Inciarte--ditto. Folty--ditto.

    All three are best assessed based on their entire body of work over 2017-2019. The three year picture is a much more accurate take on what they are likely to give us in the second half than the three month picture. Way too early to give up on valuable players who we will likely be turning to in the second half.

    Johan's '17 was driven by a .364 BABIP and strong defense. last year was unsustainable for different reasons.
    i'm not suggesting he's not solid, or won't be in the future. i'd prefer someone more reliable, tho, and think he could bring back some nice value based on his two unsustainable seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    so what is "right now" for Riley
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    i don't think it's that much better. i don't think that's a strong argument for going with current Camargo tho.
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    Camargo's .300-.310 xwOBA in 2017-2018 has been telling us he isn't a good hitter for years, and I've detailed it many times. Some people just refused to listen and still think he's an everyday player.

    No team with a modern FO thinks he is an everyday player because they are looking at a stat equivalent to xwOBA. He is a utility player that should be utilized against LHP, and nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    right now? no. he's at -0.4 WAR on the year.
    He's a switch-hitting five-position player with some pop. Long term, he's a utility guy. I don't know what his value to other teams is. I don't think they see him as a starter, so I don't foresee him being on any other team's must-have list. But I really don't care about what his WAR is at this point. He's a pretty good insurance plan for us.

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    Highly doubt the Jays will trade Stro for MLB parts, they'll want some prospects back for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Johan's '17 was driven by a .364 BABIP and strong defense. last year was unsustainable for different reasons.
    i'm not suggesting he's not solid, or won't be in the future. i'd prefer someone more reliable, tho, and think he could bring back some nice value based on his two unsustainable seasons.
    I'm saying his highs and lows should all be included. I'm fine projecting him using his 3 year BABIP or xwOBA. What I'm objecting to is giving excessive weight to his 2019 numbers
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    I’m fine with Stroman.

    I would be more content with just running things back with Gausman once he’s healthy. He will accomplish 90% of what Stro does without any of the cost.

    I would much prefer to keep our powder dry for a true rotation upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    What I'm objecting to is giving excessive weight to his 2019 numbers
    i don't think i am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    He's a switch-hitting five-position player with some pop. Long term, he's a utility guy. I don't know what his value to other teams is. I don't think they see him as a starter, so I don't foresee him being on any other team's must-have list. But I really don't care about what his WAR is at this point. He's a pretty good insurance plan for us.
    switch-hitter who can't hit a lick LH. five-positions, 1 or 2 of which he actually plays well (liability in the OF, not good at SS).
    i think some team may still view him as young and give some extra weight to last year. i don't think anyone views him as any type of coup tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    People seem to forget that Braves have given up on Folty
    why are we of the belief that the Braves have given up on him?
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