not mad, and it's not sad. sad you want to give him credit for things he had basically nothing to do with because nearly everything else was so bad.
what do you think his role in Acuña and Albies was? do you think he advocated for them? scouted them? personally saw their potential?
Freeman is such a joke, and such a stretch, it doesn't need to be addressed anymore.
Wren was also the GM when Tex was traded for Marek and Kotchman. I mean sheesh.
signed Glavine as a FA and forfeited a pick for it.
Signed Lowe and Kawakami.
Garret Anderson.
HE BROUGHT MELKY IN.
Chris Johnson extension.
imagine if he were able to draft or was competent in FA signings....those teams could have actually made noise.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
The worst discussion on this board is Coppy vs Wren. It’s been 5 yrs since Wren and 2 yrs since Coppy. Good riddance to both of them. They both did more harm than good.
AA >>>>>>>
DirkPiggler (07-15-2019), Hudson2 (07-15-2019)
i don't disagree with this at all. neither were good. i'd say they were almost equally bad, all things considered. it's just funny seeing Wren given this god-like status when he was terrible overall, and the good "he" "did" was more a product of people in place in the org. (INTFA department, Freeman) before he even came to Atlanta.
it's extremely likely Wren never even saw Ronald or Ozzie play before they were signed. the INTFA department that he didn't put together got them.
i don't even give them credit, tho. winning the lottery isn't a skill. it's luck. those two working out like they have is far more luck than anything else.
so the biggest feathers in Wren's cap are two extremely lucky pieces that he had basically nothing to do with. again: that says a lot.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Wren was not allowed to rebuild, even though he should have. Coppy had a treasure chest of talent to trade and botched several of them. The Johns broke so many rules we lost a draft pick and had international penaltues we are still feeling. Coppy had nothing but high draft picks. We really need to stop comparing the two. Different guys different stages of the team. I am personally thankful both are gone.
Coppy
what's the source on this claim, again? Jeff Wren?
more rebuild trades went well than poorly. unless we're still of the mindset that one year of Heyward and one year of Upton had tremendous value, which seemed to be the thought but clearly not the reality back then.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Where would the rebuild be without the Golden Wrens and Dave Stewart?
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
jpx7 (07-15-2019)