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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Guys like Wilson, Muller, Wentz, Allard, etc, can get rentals.
    Not sure I'd want to trade a Wilson or a Muller for a couple months of a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmagundy View Post
    Dealing with the Giants would dictate the demand. That demand goes up with with each team that enters the bidding contest. Smith will garner what the Giants want from some club like the BoSox, Nats or even the Yanks. Remember, the Giants don't need to trade him.
    Boston system is pretty bad, Nats system is mostly top heavy, Yanks are in on SP more than RP's.

    Sure the Giants dont have to trade him but getting something for him is better than nothing given his contract situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Not sure I'd want to trade a Wilson or a Muller for a couple months of a player.
    I agree, i'm just saying we could get a rental without parting with a Waters/Wright/Pache/Anderson type.

    If you're talking below that level, then maybe true.

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    I have to think most GMs and talent scouts are smart enough to evaluate Wright, Muller, Wentz on their own -- not comparing them to Anderson as has been the case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Not sure I'd want to trade a Wilson or a Muller for a couple months of a player.
    Absolutely right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Guys like Wilson, Muller, Wentz, Allard, etc, can get rentals.
    Muller made a top 50 list last week. Baseball prospectus. The rest are probably trash but still too much for a rental reliever.

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    Wheeler and no BP arm as Fried transitions at the end of the season to the pen.
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    I expect at least one bullpen arm, possibly even Smith and maybe a starter too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wheeler and no BP arm as Fried transitions at the end of the season to the pen.
    AA has already said Fried and Soroka will not be managed by going into the pen

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    AA has already said Fried and Soroka will not be managed by going into the pen
    Fried could end up the pen, just not to limit his innings. More likely due to being replaced by someone else in rotation. He has a 6.14 ERA in his last 7 and 5.13 ERA in his last 15. He could be replaced by Gausman and/or Folty at some point if one or both get back on track.
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    I think AA gets Bumgarner/Smith in late July after Wheeler and Stroman are traded. AA cites Bumgarner's elite playoff record as the reason they traded for him and the chef has an aneurysm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I think AA gets Bumgarner/Smith in late July after Wheeler and Stroman are traded. AA cites Bumgarner's elite playoff record as the reason they traded for him and the chef has an aneurysm.
    You mean the guy who hasn't pitched in a playoff game in 3 years and hasn't been a good pitcher since.... hmmm... 3 years ago? Yeah, I love paying top dollar for 3 year old production that will just magically come back even though it hasn't yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    You mean the guy who hasn't pitched in a playoff game in 3 years and hasn't been a good pitcher since.... hmmm... 3 years ago? Yeah, I love paying top dollar for 3 year old production that will just magically come back even though it hasn't yet.
    Like riding a bike, brah

    Maybe, lol

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    I'll go with Stroman and Dyson

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    You mean the guy who hasn't pitched in a playoff game in 3 years and hasn't been a good pitcher since.... hmmm... 3 years ago? Yeah, I love paying top dollar for 3 year old production that will just magically come back even though it hasn't yet.
    While, I think it will only count as a good acquisition if we overpay for Bumgarner, it's possible we do something silly and acquire him without overpaying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    While, I think it will only count as a good acquisition if we overpay for Bumgarner, it's possible we do something silly and acquire him without overpaying.
    Possible. People tend to forget but the Giants during one of their playoff runs actually took Bumgarner out of the rotation because he was pitching poorly. Of course, when they put him back in he pitched extremely well. The point is once you get to the post-season the criterion for selection changes radically. You need to focus on who is doing well here and now. If a hitter has lost confidence or a pitcher has lost his feel for his slider or curve, forget about using them. Bumgarner might be an improvement over internal options in the short run, but that's mainly because a lot of weird things can happen in the short run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Possible. People tend to forget but the Giants during one of their playoff runs actually took Bumgarner out of the rotation because he was pitching poorly. Of course, when they put him back in he pitched extremely well. The point is once you get to the post-season the criterion for selection changes radically. You need to focus on who is doing well here and now. If a hitter has lost confidence or a pitcher has lost his feel for his slider or curve, forget about using them. Bumgarner might be an improvement over internal options in the short run, but that's mainly because a lot of weird things can happen in the short run.
    Bum basically grades out as roughly the same dude as Fried, Teheran, Gausman. I might rather have him than any of the three in a rotation (actually maybe I'd lean Gausman if he were going right), but not at the expense of giving up a whole lot. I think he'll probably command less of a return than people assume. It seems to me that returns at the deadline have been declining on aging assets and rentals, but I guess there is a deal or two every year that looks bad immediately.

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    Mlb.com writer Anthony Castrovince suggested this deal

    Braves get MadBum and Smith
    Giants get Bryse Wilson, Kolby Allard, and Justin Smith

    I’d do that deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    You mean the guy who hasn't pitched in a playoff game in 3 years and hasn't been a good pitcher since.... hmmm... 3 years ago? Yeah, I love paying top dollar for 3 year old production that will just magically come back even though it hasn't yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Mlb.com writer Anthony Castrovince suggested this deal

    Braves get MadBum and Smith
    Giants get Bryse Wilson, Kolby Allard, and Justin Smith

    I’d do that deal
    Me too. I don't even know who smith is lol

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