How I see it . . .

[Enscheff]

There is a zero percent chance that he actually believes this nonsense. I mean at least we'd have pache left on the farm after all these clever moves. Depth is just a fancy concept that winning teams like the Dodgers fabricate. He talks about championships so would you rather have a 8-15%, might be high, chance of winning a championship for the next 10 years or just bust a nut and go for it and deplete the future for an extra 2-3% this year. Thus likely lowering your chance at championships in the future by a much greater percentage? If you would rather have the 2 championships that the Marlins had then there is a much better chance of accomplishing that by keeping an elite farm system in tact as their window is just opening.

Testosterone level: 1...castrated mouse.

Depth is pretty much the only reason the Braves have a 6 game divisional lead.

[Enscheff]

I live in Cubs country and I can tell you they wouldn't shut the hell up about their dynasty getting started. That tune changed pretty quickly and most would tell you that their trades have been disastrous. They have very little help coming as they watch their team slowly decline/under perform.

Testosterone level: 0...shriveled earthworm

The Cubs all-in’d their way to another rebuild in a couple years. I hope Cubs fans enjoy pointing at the flag for 5 years while they rebuild.

[SJ24]

Testosterone level: 0...shriveled earthworm

The Cubs all-in’d their way to another rebuild in a couple years. I hope Cubs fans enjoy pointing at the flag for 5 years while they rebuild.

I'm sure they will.

[Heyward]

Testosterone level: 1...castrated mouse.

Depth is pretty much the only reason the Braves have a 6 game divisional lead.

Depth is why the Dodgers are great year in and year out. Maybe they wont ever win a WS in the next couple years, but they're good every year and with the depth they have, they'll always have a shot. Cant ask for more.

But gut the team for 1-2 WS runs then have to rebuild.

[anthmilliu]

It is rather enjoyable to watch their fans crawl back into their holes and no longer following their beloved team. But but but Chapman led us to a championship. Worst fans in sports. More so then the Phanatics.

[The Chosen One]

Testosterone level: 0...shriveled earthworm

The Cubs all-in’d their way to another rebuild in a couple years. I hope Cubs fans enjoy pointing at the flag for 5 years while they rebuild.

I think they would rather point at that flag than hear about a 100 year curse anymore.

Raptors could suck and be bottom of East cellar dwellars for years but I think Toronto and rest of Canada will gladly be happy with that championship for a decade.

I do not agree that AA should have gone all in today. But let's not pretend that some Cubs fans are going to be that upset for losing the next few years when they are 3 years removed from winning it all.

As a biased fan, yes I would trade a few years off the competitive window if it means we won it all this year or next. The Braves had ****ty luck all throughout the 90s and early 2000s having some of the best teams with nothing to show for it. So if we somehow got lucky and won one this year, then were just in the borderline hunt for the WC the next few years I wouldn't be the most upset.

I was still watching this team in 2006-2009 and 2015-2017 when it wasn't the greatest time to watch.

[nsacpi]

I think they would rather point at that flag than hear about a 100 year curse anymore.

Raptors could suck and be bottom of East cellar dwellars for years but I think Toronto and rest of Canada will gladly be happy with that championship for a decade.

I do not agree that AA should have gone all in today. But let's not pretend that some Cubs fans are going to be that upset for losing the next few years when they are 3 years removed from winning it all.

As a biased fan, yes I would trade a few years off the competitive window if it means we won it all this year or next. The Braves had ****ty luck all throughout the 90s and early 2000s having some of the best teams with nothing to show for it. So if we somehow got lucky and won one this year, then were just in the borderline hunt for the WC the next few years I wouldn't be the most upset.

I was still watching this team in 2006-2009 and 2015-2017 when it wasn't the greatest time to watch.

That's the thing even after you go all in you still need some luck...Cubs almost lost to the Indians

[weso1]

I do wonder if we should have made a competitive offer for Greinke given the fact that we are willing to take on Melancon's 14 mil next year. Greinke, Soroka and Keuchel is a pretty solid playoff rotation. And we still could have added the 2 less expensive relievers.

[BeanieAntics]

I do wonder if we should have made a competitive offer for Greinke given the fact that we are willing to take on Melancon's 14 mil next year. Greinke, Soroka and Keuchel is a pretty solid playoff rotation. And we still could have added the 2 less expensive relievers.

There is absolutely no way that I would have taken on 54 million of Greinke's contract while also beating the Astros offer of Martin, Rojas, Buskauskas, and Beer. To beat that would have been wayyyyyyyyy out of my comfort zone.

[SJ24]

There is absolutely no way that I would have taken on 54 million of Greinke's contract while also beating the Astros offer of Martin, Rojas, Buskauskas, and Beer. To beat that would have been wayyyyyyyyy out of my comfort zone.

Sometimes that's what it takes.

[CyYoung31]

Threads like these are what keeps me coming back here. Great material all around.

[VirginiaBrave]

I think you have to push all your chips to the middle of the table when you're a smaller market team like we are.

I would much rather have the Marlins 1993-2003 than the Braves 1992-2005. Two world titles. Man.

This is just a basic difference in philosophy and I suspect it's not going to be popular.

What happens when you go all in, and don't win? AA won my trust today by not gambling away anyone of consequence. He will go all in when the time is right.

[CrimsonCowboy]

This thread is one epic facepalm.

[cajunrevenge]

[chop2chip]

While I don’t agree with these specific trade proposals, I wouldn’t have minded the Braves aiming high for a true TOR SP and a platoon corner OF like Corey Dickerson (tho I suppose Duvall mitigates that need).

As Houston and LAD has shown in recent years, it tends to pay off to trade expendable prospect depth for elite players when you are clear division favorite.

With that said, Syndergaard, Will Smith and Vazquez seem like the only elite guys that were even remotely on the market with a salary we could afford. Obviously if the price tag was reasonable someone would have traded for them, so it’s hard to get too worked up about it.

[Super]

"pushing all your chips to the middle of the table" in baseball guarantees you nothing except a bleak future.
smart teams don't do it.

[Heyward]

While I don’t agree with these specific trade proposals, I wouldn’t have minded the Braves aiming high for a true TOR SP and a platoon corner OF like Corey Dickerson (tho I suppose Duvall mitigates that need).

As Houston and LAD has shown in recent years, it tends to pay off to trade expendable prospect depth for elite players when you are clear division favorite.

With that said, Syndergaard, Will Smith and Vazquez seem like the only elite guys that were even remotely on the market with a salary we could afford. Obviously if the price tag was reasonable someone would have traded for them, so it’s hard to get too worked up about it.

Morosi said the Pirates wanted Dustin May and Ruiz from the Dodgers for Vazquez, thats probably Waters and Anderson from the Braves side. Thats a big fat no from me.

The Mets pulled Thor off trade talks. But given we're division rivals, i dont wanna imagine that prospect cost.

I would have tried for Will Smith, but the Giants didnt seem to make him available.

[nsacpi]

I do wonder if we should have made a competitive offer for Greinke given the fact that we are willing to take on Melancon's 14 mil next year. Greinke, Soroka and Keuchel is a pretty solid playoff rotation. And we still could have added the 2 less expensive relievers.

I'm guessing AA had some budget left and he was hoping to use it on a different deal that fell through. He and his old friend Zaidi probably worked out an understanding that allowed the Melancon deal to happen in the event the other deal fell through.

[Skeeter31]

Why do we keep feeding this troll. All he wants is attention and people are so quick to fill ages upon pages with the attention he wants (and I know I’m feeding into it right now too, but I will also be blocking him going forward so I don’t have to listen to it anymore).

[nsacpi]

"pushing all your chips to the middle of the table" in baseball guarantees you nothing except a bleak future.
smart teams don't do it.

nsacpi's rules for sustainable success

1) Grow your own stars.

2) Use payroll to surround them with a good supporting cast.

3) To the extent you acquire top tier talent as part of the supporting cast, limit yourself to guys with 1-2 years left on their contracts.