Conservatives are not going to be happy with this AT all.
This actually gives me some hope in the church again. I may actually start attending again if this message trickles down to the local level.
What a guy.
Can't wait for Sarah Palin, Beck, or Rushbo to go on TV/radio and call him a communist dictator.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wat...sm-74604099623
Forever Fredi
Was the Pope bird walking through the basilica next to his overdressed guards and wearing his excessively expensive robes whilest making his comment about the dangers of excess?
FWIW this is the same message you hear everyday in any christian church when they're passing around the collection plate. This isn't some new brilliant idea.
thank you weso1!
Lol. I don't even know where to begin with that....
not quiteOriginally Posted by weso1
He's a Jesuit. They no friends of "unfettered capitalism." And as popes go, this one isn't into the material excesses of the others.
jpx7 (12-03-2013)
Been to a lot of churches recently?
I go to a hipster church these days. they have really good childcare.
thank you weso1!
Hopefully that childcare didn't get dropped by the insurance companies.
Forever Fredi
It's a shame your kids will be forced to go on the pill, though.
Julio3000 (12-03-2013)
yeah, hearing the same message and actually acting on the message are two things.
as my mom told me, actions speak louder than words
this pope seems to be the real deal
he seems to go past "the idea" and actually does
wish more "Christians" would listen to him
Well said. This pope, to me, seems to almost transcend religion.
And the first shot has been fired.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/1...omment-2788661
Forever Fredi
what a horrible fat ****
and nice of Stuart Varney to comment
can't get much dumber than this:
“I go to church to save my soul," said Fox News' Stuart Varney, who is an Episcopalian. "It’s got nothing to do with my vote. Pope Francis has linked the two. He has offered direct criticism of a specific political system. He has characterized negatively that system. I think he wants to influence my politics.”
jpx7 (12-03-2013)
I was kinda on the fence till the Rush-tard chimed in, now I guess I'll have to take the opposite position. I do think this is a perfect example of why the far left AND the far right are effing up this country so badly. I didn't read every last word of what the Pope said, but what I took from it was that he was criticizing out of control, greed on steroids capitalism that allows the wealthy to run roughshod over everyone else, while at the same time putting themselves up as role models for how they pull themselves up by the bootstraps and won that particular game of "business" by working harder than the other fellow, not by rigging the game and screwing the competition by having overwhelming financial firepower, not overwhelming work ethic. To me it all goes back to that old "born on third, or in this case stared the business on third and thought he EARNED a triple".
I don't think any reasonable person or the Pope hates capitalism as such, I think some people just have the courage to speak up again pfarked up capitalism with a dangerously pfarked up wealth distribution at the beginning of the game steamrolling regular folks into the ground. It also shows Rush and the far right's firm belief that there are no limits to what THEY should be able to do/get/obtain, etc. all the limits are for those at the bottom of the spectrum. For the record those who think every rich person is a slimeball and therefore should have go give away everything they have for those (whatever percentage it might be) who don't want to work are pretty effed up too. American became great because there was incentive to try harder.
A capitalistic system where the top 5%-10% have so much that everyone is stuck being in servitude to them is just as pfarked up as communism, which is not a compliment. People need incentive and any system that takes that away sucks IMO.
Be careful Hawk, you're on the verge of sounding like a liberal.
Forever Fredi
Because while I believe everyone who's capable of working should work, but that the "chosen few" at the top of the food chain should have rules and limits just like the majority of us at the bottom do have and have always had?? Yeah I'm used to that. I'm one of those weirdos who thinks everybody should have rights, but also responsibilities, limits, hard work, and that nobody should be able to pfark over everybody else and ruin their lives, and contribute to most of society's ills but instead of being lambasted for it, are treated like some sort of freakin' heroes because they say "it's not personal, it's just business". Where were you during the last decade or so when I used to post a lot, always saying this same basic stuff and being called many different sorts of names (most of them less than complimentary) for not recognizing and properly honoring "my betters"?? The conservatives on this board really have lightened up some, or they just got tired of calling me names for pointing out just how naked the dumbass emperor really is/was...Be careful Hawk, you're on the verge of sounding like a liberal.
Oh and Rush Limbaugh really is one of the SUPREME douchebags of the universe, every bit as bad as Michael Moore, Oliver Stone, Jessie and Al, and so on. He says he stands behind regular folks and for what's right but he showed his true colors in this latest rant, where everyone should be able to see it, not that his loyal minions will. In short, if you're not 100% in favor of the few having everything and the rest of us having to "live by their leave" then you're a socialist. How can anything be more anti-the American Dream than favoring an even wider distribution of the wealth than we already have?? They talk about class warfare, but the war is over, their sorry asses already won (since back in the Reagan 80's) the rest of us are already scrambling for the crumbs to fall from their table, but they're slick enough to have us fighting each other rather than turning on the real enemies of the state.
Oh and by the way, one of the top echelon bosses at the University system where I teach came down a while back and talked to us. He seems like a pretty nice guy. His name is Michael Moore (obviously NOT the same one). I went up to my boss after his speech and said, "you know, he looks a lot fatter on TV". This Michael Moore is actually pretty thin.
jpx7 (12-03-2013)
As someone who strongly believes in free market capitalism, I just get frustrated when it gets blamed for things it has nothing to do with.
Corporate welfare isn't free market capitalism. Crony capitalism isn't free market capitalism. Business leaders and politicians getting in bed together for their mutual benefit isn't free market capitalism.
It seems to me that most of the complaints against capitalism from the average Joe on the street have little to do with capitalism at all.
I get tired of Right Wing Victims
and when "average joes" or "The Pope" call this what it is and call this out
the so called capitalists and republicans call the people communists
I guess the "call this what it is" is where we disagree. I don't think free markets are the cause of the problems the Pope and the average Joes are concerned about.
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