NopeOriginally Posted by Carp
Nope
Coppy
Even if any that were valid (it's not) it's still an incredibly dumb trade. You're talking about a trading guy that may be the consensus number 1 prospect in the game for an aging mediocre David Price that's due 96 million over 3 years and Andrew Benintendi, a solid but unspectacular LFer with 3 years remaining of control.
It's beyond words to describe how dumb of an idea that is.
I didn't know about the opt-out. Certainly changes things. How does this compare to Stanton when he was traded to NY?
Last edited by Carp; 12-11-2019 at 02:41 PM.
It does, but I'm not sure how much. You have to weigh the odds that a 31 year old player will forgo another 164 million in the hopes of getting more against the risk that he decides to opt in. I think its still more likely that Arenado opts in to that contract rather than rolling the dice on an increasingly sporadic market.
He is tough to valuate, but no matter how many mathematical gymnastics you go through, he isn't going to be worth the massive packages that some of the people on here are throwing around. Sometimes I think that people just see a big shiny superstar name and forget all the other circumstances surrounding a trade. If you want to be more accurate in your valuations, it takes like 3 minutes to look at the circumstances and do the simple arithmetic to find out what the answer is.
Here’s some Rendon news. That leaves the Rangers, Angels, Nats and us for Rendon and Donaldson. Also, with the Dodgers not going after Rendon that removes whatever slim hope there was we could then trade for Justin Turner.
Yeah. I didn’t feel like saying anything. Clv gets enough grief. But his response had nothing to do with his initial trade proposal. Just that the halos need to strike. I figured he conceded the trade was bad so I think we all can move along.
Coppy
The more I think about it, the more I'd be okay with a more substantial Donaldson deal if he'd be willing to take on some deferrals in his contract. If we offered him a frontloaded 4 year 100 million dollar contract, but deferred 20-30 million of that to be paid between 2025 and 2028, is that something that we could live with?
We could structure it like this:
1st year: 25 million
2nd year: 22 million
3rd year: 18 million
4th year: 15 million
That would leave 20 million dollars left to paid out through the deferral years. You could pay him 5 million per year through 2025 and 2028, or 6.66 million per year through 2025-2027 if he wanted more over a shorter period of time. You could play around with this structure a bunch, but the main thing that's necessary for us is that the contract is frontloaded (if possible with our payroll constraints) and that at least some of the money is deferred. The benefit for Donaldson is that he gets the four years that he wants at the expense of having a chunk of his money spread out over a longer period.
The only way that I could see this working is if Donaldson actually does prefer to stay in Atlanta. I think that there are probably teams who would be willing to either beat this contract or have a more beneficial structure to Donaldson, but something like this could maybe get us close enough for him to stay in Atlanta, if that is what he wants.
He also seems to just forget that they still have Ohtani who is should be pretty good as well, especially if he comes back to pitch in 2020.
Carp (12-11-2019)
Wright/Wilson + Touki and Ender makes a ton of sense...
They said Bat. Not glove. No way I give up Waters or Pache. Riley and they need to except touki and wilson.
Coppy
Just saying.....
Who wants to rosterbate a lineup after we trade for Bryant and Anderson.
Waters and an arm for Anderson.
Coppy
WOW
Basically, Riley you would think would have to be involved to replace Bryant. Then it's 2 arms. Question becomes if 1 of those 2 arms is Anderson. Riley and Anderson is a steep price for Bryant, but it's within reasonable distance of fair value for Bryant. Riley and Anderson have roughly 60-70 million in SV. Bryant has around 50-60. Not a drastic overpay, but an overpay nonetheless. Such is the market for 3b however.
Ronald Acuna RF
Ozzie Albies 2b
Freddie Freeman 1b
Kris Bryant 3b
Brian Anderson/Nick Markakis LF
Gerald Perry CF
Ozzie Virgil C
Andres Thomas SS
Rotation:
Cole Hamels
Mike Soroka
Mike Folty
Charlie Puleo
Pete Smith
thank you weso1!
50PoundHead (12-11-2019), jpx7 (12-11-2019)
Actually fairly similar, and the Yankees got Stanton for essentially free. Does anyone think there is any chance Stanton opts out after 2020? Nope, and the Yanks are on the hook for all of it.
That's the danger of huge contracts with opt outs. Either the player is great and leaves (or gets more money), or he sucks and the contract becomes dead weight. It takes away all the potential long term upside for the contract. The opt out Cole got was worth ~$20M due to the extra risk the Yanks were forced to take on.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/valuing-...coles-opt-out/
Last edited by Enscheff; 12-11-2019 at 03:47 PM.
I mean Lindor is an upgrade to any team, but the Dodgers have logjams all over the field as it is. Where are they gonna put Seager? Is one of them switching to 2b or will they try and trade Turner?
1 bat and 2 pitchers is about exactly what we had been discussing for Bryant.
Obviously it depends on who those guys are, but if it's something like Riley/Wilson/Touki that's something to seriously consider.
I still don't see a scenario where trading Ender makes sense without adding yet another OFer, but he could certainly be the bat in this scenario.
Waters could possibly be the guy as well, though the arms going along with him would be far less valuable.
Pache...no way.
BedellBrave (12-11-2019), jpx7 (12-11-2019), UNCBlue012 (12-11-2019)
Mets sign Wacha to a one year deal...
Good stuff but always injured. Not a bad gamble tbh
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