Official Offseason Thread

[Enscheff]

I mean, JD only costs money. KB/Nolan cost prospects and money. Need one of them though.

Folks say "only costs money" as if not having that money available in 2-3 years isn't going to hurt the Braves ability to construct a playoff roster.

One could respond to comments like that by saying, "KB only costs a hitter who can't make contact and a pitcher without a breaking ball".

[Heyward]

Folks say "only costs money" as if not having that money available in 2-3 years isn't going to hurt the Braves ability to construct a playoff roster.

One could respond to comments like that by saying, "KB only costs a hitter who can't make contact and a pitcher without a breaking ball".

We dont know what CHC wants for KB. I get both ends of the spectrum though.

[jpx7]

Seems to me Puig could approximate Ozuna's production for a small fraction of the price.

The same can't be said of 3B after JD/KB/Arenado.

Focus on 3B...that's where the available impact players are. Just take a deep breath, brace yourself, and swallow the least horrid overpay for 1 of those 3 guys.

Agree on the first two, but I just don’t foresee an Arenado deal that makes sense. He’ll come with very little SV and the Rockies will want an incommensurate amount of FV.

[SJ24]

Well this could be problematic if Ozuna signs while we sort out what we’ll do with JD. A serious plan B may be gone.

The Reds already signed Shogo Akiyama.

They are really serious about winning this year.

[SJ24]

SIAP. Just catching up.

https://twitter.com/VinceDacus/statu...73716268503040

[drewdat]

Freddie is younger and should be able to hold up to the demands of 3B. Give JD the 4th year and put him at 1B. Do it JS!

[UNCBlue012]

Castro signs with the Angels

[clvclv]

Freddie is going to be 32 at the end of his current contract. The likelihood of him being an elite hitter at the end of 2021 isn't very good. It's likely best to wait this one out and see if we can't work out a 3-4 year deal in 2 years. I suppose there is the risk he doesn't decline and could be looking at a 5 year deal in the 150 million range in free agency, but I think waiting is the best play here.

There's "less" chance that Freeman will be an elite hitter in 2022 at 32 years old than there is that Donaldson will be at 36/37? Why? Which predictive stat shows that?

I love playing my role, but that's a serious question.

If one of the arguments FOR signing Donaldson to a 4 year deal at his age is that you hope to be able to use him at DH two years from now, what on earth suggests that Freeman will be a worse option as a DH if you extend him and he'd be several years younger??? If neither of them is playing defense at that point, wouldn't it be "smarter" to pay the younger guy the same money just to hit?

That isn't even taking into account the fact that Freddie's stumbled all over himself telling you he'll take a below-market deal to be able to retire a Brave while Donaldson is stretching this out to get every last dime he possibly can.

Don't misunderstand - Donaldson ABSOLUTELY has done everything that anyone could ask to put himself in the position to do what he's doing, and anyone that criticizes him for doing it just isn't willing to take off their rose-colored "homer" glasses. The problem is that those who think that giving a 34 year old Donaldson a 4 year/$100 million contract is a better investment than giving a 32 year old Freeman a 4 year/$80 million extension are kidding themselves.

Poke all the fun and take all the shots at me you'd like to get your jollies, but I'll bet you whatever you'd like that if AA offered Freeman a 4/$80 million extension tomorrow morning he retires as a Brave.

[chop2chip]

Castro signs with the Angels

1 year @ 6.5 million is incredible value.

Angels lineup is quite good. They really need pitching in the worst ways.

[Heyward]

Will Harris to the Nats, 3 years/24 mil.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Will Harris to the Nats, 3 years/24 mil.

If they sign Harris how they can afford Donaldson and not Rendon?

[Carp]

There's "less" chance that Freeman will be an elite hitter in 2022 at 32 years old than there is that Donaldson will be at 36/37? Why? Which predictive stat shows that?

I love playing my role, but that's a serious question.

If one of the arguments FOR signing Donaldson to a 4 year deal at his age is that you hope to be able to use him at DH two years from now, what on earth suggests that Freeman will be a worse option as a DH if you extend him and he'd be several years younger??? If neither of them is playing defense at that point, wouldn't it be "smarter" to pay the younger guy the same money just to hit?

That isn't even taking into account the fact that Freddie's stumbled all over himself telling you he'll take a below-market deal to be able to retire a Brave while Donaldson is stretching this out to get every last dime he possibly can.

Don't misunderstand - Donaldson ABSOLUTELY has done everything that anyone could ask to put himself in the position to do what he's doing, and anyone that criticizes him for doing it just isn't willing to take off their rose-colored "homer" glasses. The problem is that those who think that giving a 34 year old Donaldson a 4 year/$100 million contract is a better investment than giving a 32 year old Freeman a 4 year/$80 million extension are kidding themselves.

Poke all the fun and take all the shots at me you'd like to get your jollies, but I'll bet you whatever you'd like that if AA offered Freeman a 4/$80 million extension tomorrow morning he retires as a Brave.

For one, I didn't mention JD at all. And I've been pretty clear about my preference for not signing JD if it's going to take a 4 year deal.

Secondly, I didn't say anything about not wanting to bring back Freddie or that JD was smarter sign. The point is to minimize risk and extended Freddie now is simply not smart. We have 2 years, there is simply no reason at all to resign Freddie now. If he'd accept 4/80 now, it stands to reason he'd still take 4/80 two years from now.

[tululush]

If they sign Harris how they can afford Donaldson and not Rendon?

Lol they’re likely deferring the crap out of the deal. 500k now but a million dollars every year until 2050 😂

[Hudson2]

JD needs to tell everybody they have till Monday to submit their best offers so this can be over with already.

[tululush]

JD needs to tell everybody they have till Monday to submit their best offers so this can be over with already.

Maybe he’s the one dragging his feet, not the mlb teams.

[The Chosen One]

Maybe he’s the one dragging his feet, not the mlb teams.

Well, it seems to be working and agent gets more calls from GMs. A month ago all the "insiders" were saying 2-3 years with an option for 4. Before that it was consensus that it would be 2 years with a 3rd year option. Now he has multiple teams adding a guaranteed 4th year bidding for him.

Why not hold out until the madness quiets down? Spring training aint' for another month. If the phones don't ring for a week then he can decide.

[UNCBlue012]

1 year @ 6.5 million is incredible value.

Angels lineup is quite good. They really need pitching in the worst ways.

Why? They’ve finally got an ace in Julio!!

[Carp]

Julio actually had the highest 2019 WAR among current pitchers on their staff as sad as that is.

[Skeeter31]

Well, it seems to be working and agent gets more calls from GMs. A month ago all the "insiders" were saying 2-3 years with an option for 4. Before that it was consensus that it would be 2 years with a 3rd year option. Now he has multiple teams adding a guaranteed 4th year bidding for him.

Why not hold out until the madness quiets down? Spring training aint' for another month. If the phones don't ring for a week then he can decide.

Exactly. If I were JD I’d stretch this out as long as I can. I’d be hoping Ozuna signs somewhere so teams have one less fall back option. Hell I’d even hope someone trades for KB before I sign. Teams will get more desperate the longer this stretches out and it only gets better for JD.

[bravesfanMatt]

Exactly. If I were JD I’d stretch this out as long as I can. I’d be hoping Ozuna signs somewhere so teams have one less fall back option. Hell I’d even hope someone trades for KB before I sign. Teams will get more desperate the longer this stretches out and it only gets better for JD.

Two way street. As more teams go to the fall backs the less teams are interested in signing him to a max plus deal. Say the Braves trade for KB. Now only two teams are left in the running.