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    the Diamondbacks will be good again next year. this is a solid move for them. Pirates did pretty well, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Man I hope AA at least inquired about Marte that cost seems awfully low for a player of his caliber.
    it's not low, and once Ozuna was signed, there was no point in pursuing Marte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    it's not low, and once Ozuna was signed, there was no point in pursuing Marte.
    I still think we need another impact bat to get over that hump. I want a big 3B bat but if you could've traded for Marte and had an OF of Ozuna, Marte and Acuna that would've been another big bat that could've help possibly get us over the hump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    wow

    Replacement level payroll. Gotta avoid 115 losses to avoid underperforming expectations.

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    The Pirates got a young FV 50 SS and a young FV 45+ arm. Those are pretty valuable high variance talents, and the Braves didn't really have anything comparable.

    After seeing the cost for guys like Mous, JD, Castellanos, and now Marte, I think AA's move to grab Ozuna on a 1 year deal is outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    I still think we need another impact bat to get over that hump. I want a big 3B bat but if you could've traded for Marte and had an OF of Ozuna, Marte and Acuna that would've been another big bat that could've help possibly get us over the hump.
    Yeah but that wasn't a low cost. Those are 2 very high upside guys.

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    Yeah looking more at it, we didnt really matchup well with the Pirates in a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The Pirates got a young FV 50 SS and a young FV 45+ arm. Those are pretty valuable high variance talents, and the Braves didn't really have anything comparable.

    After seeing the cost for guys like Mous, JD, Castellanos, and now Marte, I think AA's move to grab Ozuna on a 1 year deal is outstanding.
    If you're going off FV we could've traded Contreras and Davidson now if you're speaking of age and position related to FV sure at the moment there's nothing that we have that could match.

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    Marte isn't the guy I want we need a 3B, I'm still holding out hope for a big 3B bat instead of going into the season with Camargo and Riley.

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    I kinda hate to tell you guys ... but we are kinda already over the hump.... we had a WS in our lap and pitched a bad inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    If you're going off FV we could've traded Contreras and Davidson now if you're speaking of age and position related to FV sure at the moment there's nothing that we have that could match.
    Davidson isn't a guy I want to move at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulavol View Post
    I kinda hate to tell you guys ... but we are kinda already over the hump.... we had a WS in our lap and pitched a bad inning.
    Lol nah bro.

    A. Freeman was playing injured not hurt, he probably wouldn't have lasted another series.

    B. We didn't have the pitching imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Davidson isn't a guy I want to move at all.
    At some point we're going to have to trade some of these prospects and get something of value. Especially some of this pitching with the logjam we have in the upper minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    If you're going off FV we could've traded Contreras and Davidson now if you're speaking of age and position related to FV sure at the moment there's nothing that we have that could match.
    I doubt Pitt wants guys as close to the majors as Contreras and Davidson considering they are light years away from putting together a contending team. They are looking for guys who will be ready in like 3-5 years. No way in hell I'm trading Davidson at this point for something less than a superstar. He's coming on strong and has completely revamped his trajectory. He could end up being the best of the bunch of the younger guys.

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    Good deal for both sides. The D-Backs are gonna be sneaky good next year. I also really liked their move to get Zac Gallen from the Marlins last year. It's amazing that in the last 13-14 months, they've lost Pollock, Corbin, Greinke, and Goldy and their major league team is actually better for it. Talk about some shrewd moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Good deal for both sides. The D-Backs are gonna be sneaky good next year. I also really liked their move to get Zac Gallen from the Marlins last year. It's amazing that in the last 13-14 months, they've lost Pollock, Corbin, Greinke, and Goldy and their major league team is actually better for it. Talk about some shrewd moves.
    The problem for the Dbacks is that they gave a huge chunk of money to MadBum who is going to struggle mightily in that park. I really think MadBum is going to be downright bad for them. He's going to be a homer giving up machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    The problem for the Dbacks is that they gave a huge chunk of money to MadBum who is going to struggle mightily in that park. I really think MadBum is going to be downright bad for them. He's going to be a homer giving up machine.
    Maybe. I certainly wouldn't have paid him that. They do have money to burn, though certainly one would have thought it would have been money better spent on Wheeler or even Ryu.

    With that being said, projection models are fairly kind to him for 2020. His average velocity rebounded well in 2019 and IIRC, his average spin rate was also the highest since they started tracking it (only since 2015). So certainly there is some optimism that at least the beginning of that deal could show some promise. Those final 2-3 years will likely be brutal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Maybe. I certainly wouldn't have paid him that. They do have money to burn, though certainly one would have thought it would have been money better spent on Wheeler or even Ryu.

    With that being said, projection models are fairly kind to him for 2020. His average velocity rebounded well in 2019 and IIRC, his average spin rate was also the highest since they started tracking it (only since 2015). So certainly there is some optimism that at least the beginning of that deal could show some promise. Those final 2-3 years will likely be brutal though.
    His velocity has basically remained unchanged since 2016...

    2016: 91.7
    2017: 91.3
    2018: 91.4
    2019: 91.7

    Say what you want about home vs away splits but its certainly a huge concern when you played half your games in the best pitchers park in the league and had a ~6.00 ERA away from that park for 2 whole years. Considering AZ is basically Coors Lite (see what I did there?), then I personally think it spells disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    At some point we're going to have to trade some of these prospects and get something of value. Especially some of this pitching with the logjam we have in the upper minors.
    Or we let them mature and get a better read on what we have. Our team is young and cheap (the core). Every prospect that pans out is another dollar saved in free agency. If we hit on one or two more then we are ridiculously set up for a long run of competing. I love what we have done with no long term commitments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    His velocity has basically remained unchanged since 2016...

    2016: 91.7
    2017: 91.3
    2018: 91.4
    2019: 91.7

    Say what you want about home vs away splits but its certainly a huge concern when you played half your games in the best pitchers park in the league and had a ~6.00 ERA away from that park for 2 whole years. Considering AZ is basically Coors Lite (see what I did there?), then I personally think it spells disaster.
    Me too. I think that contract is going to be the most regrettable of the 2019 offseason.

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