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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    AA should get in on Joc if he's available.
    I don’t totally disagree but how would we use him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippyjms View Post
    I don’t totally disagree but how would we use him?
    Would have to move Markakis to 3B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippyjms View Post
    I don’t totally disagree but how would we use him?
    Yeah Joc would be an awkward fit from a platoon standpoint. Ozuna and Acuna are locked in, and a left handed bat doesn't jive with Ender/Nick. Let's trade for him and teach him 3rd base lol.

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    If we hadn't already signed Neck I'd be all for it. But we aren't getting rid of Neck so Pederson doesn't really fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    AA should get in on Joc if he's available.
    He won't

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    What killed the Angels deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    If we hadn't already signed Neck I'd be all for it. But we aren't getting rid of Neck so Pederson doesn't really fit.
    Markakis has nothing to do with dealing for Pederson imo. They could still deal Inciarte play Acuna in center. An OF of Ozuna - LF, Acuna - CF and Pederson - RF would be deadly with Markakis/Duvall spelling the guys.

    Acuna
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    Flowers/D'Arnaud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Markakis has nothing to do with dealing for Pederson imo. They could still deal Inciarte play Acuna in center. An OF of Ozuna - LF, Acuna - CF and Pederson - RF would be deadly with Markakis/Duvall spelling the guys.

    Acuna
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    Arenado
    Ozuna
    Pederson
    Flowers/D'Arnaud
    Swanson
    I like where you heads at...but might as well go for it all then. Trade Ender to The Rockies in a package for Arenado...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Markakis has nothing to do with dealing for Pederson imo. They could still deal Inciarte play Acuna in center. An OF of Ozuna - LF, Acuna - CF and Pederson - RF would be deadly with Markakis/Duvall spelling the guys.

    Acuna
    Albies
    Freeman
    Ozuna
    Pederson
    Flowers/D'Arnaud
    Camargo
    Swanson
    That OF defense would be a bit on the rough side. Neither Acuña nor Joc should be in CF full time. Although maybe Acuña has spent a lot of time on his CF D this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    What killed the Angels deal?
    This is a good question. Is that deal not done? Seemed like it was independent of the Betts trade.
    From your favorite message board poster (me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Markakis has nothing to do with dealing for Pederson imo. They could still deal Inciarte play Acuna in center. An OF of Ozuna - LF, Acuna - CF and Pederson - RF would be deadly with Markakis/Duvall spelling the guys.

    Acuna
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    Camargo
    Swanson
    The problem with that is it hurts the OF defense pretty substantially. What if Acuna gets hurt? Pederson has proven to be pretty terrible in CF. Yes Pache/Waters are close, but I'd rather not rush them, and they could fall flat on their face too.

    Also, I'm not convinced Pederson is much of an overall upgrade over a healthy Ender. He's a better hitter for sure, but Ender is a significantly better defender. They both should be roughly 2-3 WAR players if healthy. It seems like it's making a move just to make a move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    This is a good question. Is that deal not done? Seemed like it was independent of the Betts trade.
    It's apparently completely and totally dead, and I haven't been able to find out why.

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    It always seemed to me that the Pederson deal was done strictly as a way to get under the Luxury Tax threshold. Either they've found a way in one of the Betts/Maeda deals to get under it without moving him, or the new Betts/Maeda deals are pushing their payroll past the point where moving Pederson and Stripling won't be enough to get them under the Luxury tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    It's apparently completely and totally dead, and I haven't been able to find out why.
    "Arte Moreno's impatience," hand to God, seems to be the explanation.

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    It is note worthy to mention that Neck was signed on Nov 4th which is before the 5th day after the last World Series game thus nullifying his auto no trade protection given to Free agents signing.
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    I think Pederson lost arb, so maybe that changed how the Dodgers valued him and their ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    It always seemed to me that the Pederson deal was done strictly as a way to get under the Luxury Tax threshold. Either they've found a way in one of the Betts/Maeda deals to get under it without moving him, or the new Betts/Maeda deals are pushing their payroll past the point where moving Pederson and Stripling won't be enough to get them under the Luxury tax.
    There's also the fact that they have to trade or waive two players from the 40-man, as it would currently be at 42.

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    I love how every time a deal falls through, or is rumored and doesn't happen, someone here says "We should go get that player!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherders View Post
    I love how every time a deal falls through, or is rumored and doesn't happen, someone here says "We should go get that player!"
    Of course - it's the off-season. It's what people do
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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    This is a good question. Is that deal not done? Seemed like it was independent of the Betts trade.
    It was independant of the Betts trade, but it was also contingent on the Betts trade happening. Reports are that the Angels GM got annoyed at waiting on it and took it off the table.

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