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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    That's not what I said. I said they would have to return to 2018 form for the Braves not to be better off with Joc, plus Stripling, plus long term commitment freed from Inciarte, plus whatever trade return you get by dealing Inciarte. This was never trade Camargo and Inciarte for Joc. It was trade Camargo and a couple of prospects not in the Braves top 4-5 prospects for Joc and Stripling which allows you to trade Inciarte for best available return.
    You did say that. I even quoted it. And I know you meant the entire trade package, and it's still an entirely absurd statement. If Ender and Camargo return to the 3+ WAR players they were ion 2018, it is next to impossible that such a trade scenario would make the Braves better in the short term or long term, as Ender would have 2 more years left of control and Camargo would have 3. And that's not even considering the value of Wilson or Jenista as long term assets.

    A Joc trade boils down to one thing. Does it makes the Braves better? And the answer is, may be marginally in 2018, but that is being pretty pessimistic on Ender, Camargo, and Wilson. And it's much more likely we will be worse off after that. And yes I know Pache and Waters are ready to take over in CF, but there is no guarantee they will pan out. Having several starting caliber CFers is actually a good thing. Quality depth is super important. And supposing Ender does rebound to a ~3 WAR player, he regains much of his lost trade value and allows us to get a much better return in a trade.

    Finally, let's be real here. If Joc is a 3 WAR LFer and is sooo much better than Ender as has been suggested, who exactly is going to trade us anything of value for Ender? If he's barely a 1 WIN player, which has already been pointed out are his projections, who is going to give us a starting caliber 3b in exchange for that?
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    i can't figure out why some want to dump Ender after one season of injuries. he puts up 2 WAR and his contract is a steal. you'd be trading an awful lot of valuable, cheap control of solid depth between Wilson/Camargo/Ender.
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    Looks like we standing pat for now. Who are some guys to keep an eye on getting released that can be a LHH infielder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Looks like we standing pat for now. Who are some guys to keep an eye on getting released that can be a LHH infielder?
    We already have Solarte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    ...i know matt was joking, you dumb ****. i responded with a joke..............
    wow they ain't lying about mississippi.
    Yikes. Someone had pee in their philly oats today. Why so angry so early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    We already have Solarte.
    indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Yikes. Someone had pee in their philly oats today. Why so angry so early.
    very low tolerance for utter, blatant stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    We already have Solarte.
    Forgot bout him.

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    Holt is still out there, right?

    Lamb may be dumped by the DBacks if his arb deal isn't guaranteed.

    Adding a LHH 3B is more important now than adding a RHH cOF was before the Ozuna signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Holt is still out there, right?

    Lamb may be dumped by the DBacks if his arb deal isn't guaranteed.

    Adding a LHH 3B is more important now than adding a RHH cOF was before the Ozuna signing.
    Holt is still out there. no idea what the Holt up is. i'd like him on this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Holt is still out there. no idea what the Holt up is. i'd like him on this team.
    If the other teams that were rumored to be in on Holt (Reds and Blue Jays) haven't signed him yet, that could mean he wasn't willing to take a non-guaranteed deal before now. If that actually was the case, you'd think camps opening and him being jobless would change that stance pretty quickly.

    Kinda have to wonder if they're willing to hand out any guaranteed deals until they get a good look at Camargo and Riley during camp and get a better handle on Hamels' shoulder - may need to spend that money on a 5th starter.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Anybody heading down to any ST games ?
    I am gonna go down for a few - would love to meet up for a beer or three ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulavol View Post
    Anybody heading down to any ST games ?
    I am gonna go down for a few - would love to meet up for a beer or three ...
    I hear Emma may go down, but drinks may be involved.....and we might be talking about something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulavol View Post
    Anybody heading down to any ST games ?
    I am gonna go down for a few - would love to meet up for a beer or three ...
    I’m planning a trip to Tampa at some point in next month but that’s more for going to casino than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    If the other teams that were rumored to be in on Holt (Reds and Blue Jays) haven't signed him yet, that could mean he wasn't willing to take a non-guaranteed deal before now. If that actually was the case, you'd think camps opening and him being jobless would change that stance pretty quickly.

    Kinda have to wonder if they're willing to hand out any guaranteed deals until they get a good look at Camargo and Riley during camp and get a better handle on Hamels' shoulder - may need to spend that money on a 5th starter.
    i have to imagine he's been offered some guaranteed money. maybe just not to his liking.
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    Camargo dropped 18 pounds over the winter.
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    Offseason is officially over with pitchers and catchers reporting. Time to wrap this thread up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Camargo dropped 18 pounds over the winter.
    Is that a good thing I wonder. Never struck me as a fatty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Is that a good thing I wonder. Never struck me as a fatty.
    It was pretty widely reported he showed up out of shape last year. Considering his statcast data showing him slower than Neck... I believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    It was pretty widely reported he showed up out of shape last year. Considering his statcast data showing him slower than Neck... I believe it.
    So then early front runner for BSOML
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