He’s not worth that at all. That is betting on getting it all to click, and in that park... EH
He’s not worth that at all. That is betting on getting it all to click, and in that park... EH
jpx7 (12-04-2019)
Originally Posted by Tapate50
He needs to produce roughly 12 WAR over the life of the contract to be worth it. I think that's totally doable considering his last couple of seasons, but the injury concerns with him make it a pretty big risk. Certainly a lot of money/years to guarantee to a guy that's never pitched more than 200 innings.
I'll say it again, they should have went after Cole/Stras if they were willing to spend "stupid money."
Last edited by Carp; 12-04-2019 at 02:42 PM.
12 WAR will be far from easy IMO. repeating his last 2 years for another 3 is a big ask.
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Carp (12-04-2019)
I think this was predicted as well.
I am really interested in the gNats this year. Will they let both superstars walk this year.
Coppy
Angels have been rumored to get Cole all offseason, he's not signing anytime soon though. Rendon seems likely of the elite names to sign first.
I like Wheeler but Hamels for 1 year was the SP i wanted the most, not to mention he can mentor Fried and teach him his wipeout CH. Can offer a QO at the end of the season and not be stuck with a potentially albatross contract. The Braves/Bumgarner rumors scared me as well.
Current payroll is around 132 right now if arb projections are correct, and Braves still need a power bat to bring back JD or replace him.
i'm happy the Braves are staying away from contracts 5+ years long.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Newk is the one that needs the change. He still has elite upside if he can develop another pitch. I don't have confidence that will happen, but who knows?
jpx7 (12-04-2019)
Certainly not easy. But given his last 2 seasons, I think you could reasonably assume the next 4 years to look something like 4, 3.5, 2.5, 1.5, 1. That's 12.5 WAR. And I think the Fallies should be very happy if they get sort of production from him. But I wouldn't be optimistic given how quickly pitchers seem to decline in their 30's. Arrieta, for instance, has put up a total of 9 fWAR since turning 30. And his 28/29 seasons were considerably better than Wheeler's.
Last edited by Carp; 12-04-2019 at 03:53 PM.
jpx7 (12-04-2019)
Now all we need major moves wise is to add a damn 3B!
Haven't read through all this, but is there a LH 3b platoon partner for Riley/camargo perhaps?
ETA... if so, go get ozuna
I expect the Phillies to sign Donaldson. They seem to be cannibalizing NL East teams with their stupid money.
Carp (12-04-2019)
I really love Wheeler and his potential but this is pretty awful for the Phillies. They're going to be in cap hell soon, with a ****ty farm system to boot. They better go all-in now and grab another elite bat and some more depth.
Wheeler has been really good the last two years and likely 'earns' that contract
LMAO:
#WhiteSox’s offer to Wheeler was for MORE than the $118M he will receive from the #Phillies, sources tell The Athletic. As
@MarcCarig
said, Wheeler’s wife is from New Jersey, and that proximity was an important consideration in his decision.
A part of me would die if this happens. All of my other favorite sports teams are letting or have let popular players go left and right recently so I’m sure it’ll happen. I don’t know how many parts of me would be left!
Only way I’d let Riley start at 3b from ST is if we got Lindor and Ozuna somehow.
They don't need both. But they do need to get a legit player whether it's Ozuna, Donaldson, or Lindor, etc. In that scenario Riley should see a lot of ABs against lefties whether that's at 3B or LF.
Last edited by thewupk; 12-04-2019 at 02:54 PM.
Neck was terrible last year and is a year older and Ender who knows. I see Acuna being our only reliable OF’er again next year. Personally Neck should be a bench bat and nothing else at this point bc he’s just not a starter at anymore. If they can resign JD then a cheaper option like Haniger needs to be brought in.
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