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    Official Offseason Thread

    Might as well get this started

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    bring back the band
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    Catchers

    Yasmani Grandal (31 years old, 5.2 WAR) -- $16 million mutual option for 2020 ($2.25 million buyout)
    Robinson Chirinos (36, 2.3)
    Tyler Flowers (34, 2.1) -- $6 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Jason Castro (33, 1.6)
    Travis d’Arnaud (31, 1.6)
    Alex Avila (33, 1.3)
    Russell Martin (37, 1.2)
    Brian McCann (36, 1.1)
    Austin Romine (31, 0.9)
    Martin Maldonado (33, 0.8)
    Yan Gomes (32, 0.8) -- $9 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Francisco Cervelli (34, 0.1)
    Nick Hundley (36, -0.3)
    Matt Wieters (34, -0.3)
    Jonathan Lucroy (34, -0.5)
    Chris Iannetta (37, -0.5)
    Welington Castillo (33, -1.0) -- $8 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)

    First Basemen

    Anthony Rizzo (30 years old, 4.0 WAR) -- $14.5 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Howie Kendrick (36, 2.9)
    Jose Abreu (33, 1.9)
    Eric Thames (33, 1.9) -- $7.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    David Freese (37, 1.4)
    Mitch Moreland (34, 0.7)
    Neil Walker (34, 0.4)
    Justin Smoak (33, 0.2)
    Logan Forsythe (33, 0.2)
    Ryan Zimmerman (35, 0.1) -- $18 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Matt Adams (31, -0.1) -- $4 million mutual option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Logan Morrison (32, -0.1)
    Mark Reynolds (36, -0.8)
    Steve Pearce (37, -0.9)
    Lucas Duda (34, -1.0)
    Yonder Alonso (33, -1.2)

    Second Basemen

    Eric Sogard (34 years old, 2.6 WAR)
    Brian Dozier (33, 1.7)
    Jonathan Schoop (28, 1.3)
    Starlin Castro (30, 1.3) -- $16 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Brock Holt (32, 1.3)
    Brad Miller (30, 1.2)
    Jason Kipnis (33, 1.1) -- $16.5 million club option for 2020 ($2.5 million buyout)
    Wilmer Flores (28, 1.1) -- $6 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Ben Zobrist (39, 0.2)
    Gordon Beckham (33, -0.1)
    Yangervis Solarte (32, -0.3)
    Scooter Gennett (30, -0.5)
    Josh Harrison (32, -0.6)
    Chris Owings (28, -0.8)
    Eduardo Nuñez (33, -1.0)

    Third Basemen

    Anthony Rendon (30 years old, 7.0 WAR)
    Josh Donaldson (34, 4.9)
    Mike Moustakas (31, 2.8) -- $11 million mutual option for 2020 ($3 million buyout)
    Asdrubal Cabrera (34, 1.9)
    Todd Frazier (34, 1.9)
    Pablo Sandoval (33, 1.0)
    Jedd Gyorko (31, -0.7) -- $13 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Jung Ho Kang (33, -0.9)
    Martin Prado (36, -1.2)

    Shortstops

    Jose Iglesias (30 years old, 1.6 WAR)
    Elvis Andrus (31, 1.4) -- can opt out of 3 years, $43 million remaining on contract
    Freddy Galvis (30, 1.4) -- $5.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Didi Gregorius (30, 0.9)
    Adeiny Hechavarria (31, 0.7)
    Jordy Mercer (33, 0.6)

    Left fielders

    Brett Gardner (36 years old, 3.6 WAR)
    Marcell Ozuna (29, 2.6)
    Alex Gordon (36, 1.3) -- $23 million mutual option for 2020 ($4 million buyout)
    Corey Dickerson (31, 1.0)
    Gerardo Parra (33, -0.2)
    Peter Bourjos (33, -0.5)
    Carlos Gonzalez (34, -0.6)
    Matt Kemp (35, -0.8)
    Curtis Granderson (39, -1.4)

    Center fielders

    Starling Marte (31 years old, 3.0 WAR) -- $11.5 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Jarrod Dyson (35, 1.3)
    Billy Hamilton (29, 0.4) -- $7.5 million mutual option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Carlos Gomez (34, -0.1)
    Leonys Martin (32, -0.6)
    Juan Lagares (31, -0.8) -- $9.5 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Austin Jackson (33, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019

    Right fielders

    Nicholas Castellanos (28 years old, 2.8 WAR)
    Kole Calhoun (32, 2.5) -- $14 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Adam Eaton (31, 2.3) -- $9.5 million club option for 2020 ($1.5 million buyout)
    Jason Heyward (30, 1.9) -- can opt out of 4 years, $86 million remaining on contract
    Avisail Garcia (29, 1.8)
    Cameron Maybin (33, 1.6)
    Yasiel Puig (29, 1.2)
    Nick Markakis (36, 0.4) -- $6 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Adam Jones (34, -0.1)
    Melky Cabrera (35, -0.7)
    Jon Jay (35, -0.9)
    Lonnie Chisenhall (31, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019

    Designated hitters

    Nelson Cruz (39 years old, 4.3 WAR) -- $12 million club option for 2020 ($300,000 buyout)
    J.D. Martinez (32, 3.2) -- can opt out of 3 years, $62.5 million remaining on contract
    Edwin Encarnacion (37, 2.5) -- $20 million club option for 2020 ($5 million buyout)
    Hunter Pence (37, 1.8)
    Hanley Ramirez (36, -0.2)
    Mark Trumbo (34, -0.3)
    Kendrys Morales (37, -0.8)

    Starting pitchers

    Gerrit Cole (29 years old, 7.4 WAR)
    Stephen Strasburg (31, 5.7) -- can opt out of 4 years, $100 million remaining on contract
    Hyun-Jin Ryu (33, 4.8)
    Zack Wheeler (30, 4.7)
    Jake Odorizzi (30, 4.3)
    Jose Quintana (31, 3.3) -- $11.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Madison Bumgarner (30, 3.2)
    Homer Bailey (34, 2.9)
    Michael Pineda (30, 2.7)
    Yu Darvish (33, 2.6) -- can opt out of 4 years, $81 million remaining on contract
    Kyle Gibson (32, 2.5)
    Cole Hamels (36, 2.5)
    Adam Wainwright (38, 2.2)
    Tanner Roark (33, 2.0)
    Wade Miley (33, 2.0)
    Brett Anderson (32, 2.0)
    Ivan Nova (33, 2.0)
    Martin Perez (29, 1.9) -- $7.5 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Andrew Cashner (33, 1.8) -- $10 million club option for 2020
    Jason Vargas (37, 1.8) -- $8 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)
    Rick Porcello (31, 1.8)
    Julio Teheran (29, 1.6) -- $12 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Gio Gonzalez (34, 1.4)
    Jake Arrieta (34, 1.1) -- can opt out of 1 year, $20 million remaining on contract unless Phillies exercise 2-year, $40 million option
    Rich Hill (40, 0.9)
    Dallas Keuchel (32, 0.8)
    Chris Archer (31, 0.7) -- $9 million club option for 2020 ($1.75 million buyout)
    Corey Kluber (34, 0.6) -- $17.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Matt Moore (31, 0.5)
    Clay Buchholz (35, 0.1)
    Tyson Ross (33, 0.0)
    Felix Hernandez (34, -0.1)
    Jhoulys Chacin (32, -0.1)
    Jeremy Hellickson (33, -0.1)
    Michael Wacha (28, -0.2)
    Alex Wood (29, -0.2)
    Edinson Volquez (36, -0.2)
    Marco Estrada (36, -0.2)
    Shelby Miller (29, -0.2)
    Clayton Richard (36, -0.2)
    Drew Smyly (29, -0.3)
    Wade LeBlanc (35, -0.3) -- $5 million club option for 2020 ($450,000 buyout)
    Matt Harvey (31, -0.3)
    Ervin Santana (37, -0.4)
    Trevor Cahill (32, -0.8)
    Derek Holland (33, -1.0)
    Edwin Jackson (36, -1.1)

    Relief pitchers

    Aroldis Chapman (32 years old, 2.0 WAR) -- can opt out of 2 years, $30 million remaining on contract
    Yusmeiro Petit (35, 1.4) -- $5.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)
    Will Smith (30, 1.2)
    Kenley Jansen (32, 1.2) -- can opt out of 2 years, $38 million remaining on contract
    Will Harris (35, 1.1)
    Sergio Romo (37, 1.0)
    Chris Martin (34, 1.0)
    Jake Diekman (33, 1.0) -- $5.75 mutual option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Brandon Kintzler (35, 0.9)
    Drew Pomeranz (31, 0.7)
    Sean Doolittle (33, 0.7) -- $6.5 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Brad Brach (34, 0.7)
    Yoshihisa Hirano (36, 0.5)
    Collin McHugh (33, 0.5)
    Juan Nicasio (33, 0.5)
    Craig Stammen (36, 0.4)
    Fernando Rodney (43, 0.4)
    Joe Smith (36, 0.4)
    David Hernandez (35, 0.3)
    Jeremy Jeffress (32, 0.3)
    Tony Sipp (36, 0.3)
    Cory Gearrin (34, 0.3)
    Steve Cishek (34, 0.2)
    Tommy Hunter (33, 0.2)
    Josh Tomlin (35, 0.2)
    Dellin Betances (32, 0.1)
    Darren O’Day (37, 0.1)
    David Phelps (33, 0.1) -- $5 million club option for 2020
    Luke Gregerson (36, 0.1)
    Aaron Loup (32, 0.1) — $2 million club option for 2020
    Matt Albers (37, 0.0)
    Mike Dunn (35, 0.0)
    Pedro Strop (35, 0.0)
    Greg Holland (34, -0.1)
    Hector Santiago (32, -0.1)
    Nate Jones (34, -0.1) -- $5.15 million club option for 2020 ($1.25 million buyout)
    Tony Barnette (36, -0.1) -- $3 million club option for 2020
    Tyler Thornburg (31, -0.1)
    Arodys Vizcaino (29, -0.1)
    Dan Otero (35, -0.1) -- $1.5 million club option for 2020 ($100,000 buyout)
    Shawn Kelley (36, -0.2) -- $2.5 million club option for 2020 ($250,000 buyout)
    Hector Rondon (32, -0.2)
    Pat Neshek (39, -0.3) -- $7 million club option for 2020 ($750,000 buyout)
    Seunghwan Oh (37, -0.3)
    Trevor Rosenthal (30, -0.3)
    Tony Watson (35, -0.3) -- $2.5 million player option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Wily Peralta (31, -0.4)
    Zach Duke (37, -0.4)
    Jonny Venters (35, -0.4)
    Jared Hughes (34, -0.5) -- $3 million club option for 2020 ($250,000 buyout)
    Anthony Swarzak (34, -0.7)
    Cody Allen (31, -0.7)
    Adam Warren (32, -0.8) -- $2.5 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)
    Brandon Morrow (35, N/A) -- $12 million club option for 2020 ($3 million buyout); didn't appear in MLB in 2019
    Josh Fields (34, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019
    Bud Norris (35, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019
    Addison Reed (31, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019
    Tony Cingrani (30, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019
    Brian Duensing (37, N/A) -- didn't appear in MLB in 2019
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    This offseason is gonna be pretty tricky. JD and DK are both free agents and Mac may retire. If another team over values Donaldson then we may need to address 3b and C both, and no Riley isn’t gonna cut it as the full time 3b. Markakis has to go so a COF is gonna really be needed that can actually hit. Teheran’s option is a big question mark so we could lose 2 starters this offseason also. So we are gonna need a 3b, C, SP, and a real COF. Here’s what I’d try to do.

    Sign JD for 2 years 50 million with a 3rd year option
    Trade for Starling Marte
    Sign Grandal for 2 years 38 million. Go high AAV to take a shorter deal
    Check price tag on Bumgarner and Hamels for that veteran lefty

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    Mac probably retires for sure after today's debacle.
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    JD is going to get a 4th year on some deal. I'd load up on pitching and catcher.

    Offer Cole 7 years at 210 but frontload 110 in first 3 years then give a player opt out.

    Grandal 2 for 40

    Let Pache start in center and put Ender in LF

    Sign Martin for 3 years 21 million

    Give Camargo/Riley another shot at 3b.

    Starting rotation:

    Cole
    Folty
    Soroka
    Fried
    Anderson

    Pitching and defense.
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    I'd seriously check to see what the market is on Freddie Freeman. Now's the time. Move him while we can still demand a good return and before serious decline sets in. It avoids us paying a huge salary in a couple years to a guy in sharp decline.

    After that post season you could probably sell the idea of passing the torch to Acuna more easily too.

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    I'd love to sign Cole and trade for Mookie.

    So I'm prepared for the Braves to sign some 37 year old starter for super cheap and then completely ignore the corner OF spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    JD is going to get a 4th year on some deal. I'd load up on pitching and catcher.

    Offer Cole 7 years at 210 but frontload 110 in first 3 years then give a player opt out.

    Grandal 2 for 40

    Let Pache start in center and put Ender in LF

    Sign Martin for 3 years 21 million

    Give Camargo/Riley another shot at 3b.

    Starting rotation:

    Cole
    Folty
    Soroka
    Fried
    Anderson

    Pitching and defense.
    I would love Cole but there's no chance in hell we'd get him. Only the upper-level payroll teams will be able to afford him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    I would love Cole but there's no chance in hell we'd get him. Only the upper-level payroll teams will be able to afford him.
    You can offer him more than 30 per year in a front loaded deal and entice him to opt out. Just get the production of his prime years and let another team pay for his decline years.

    Braves have money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    You can offer him more than 30 per year in a front loaded deal and entice him to opt out. Just get the production of his prime years and let another team pay for his decline years.

    Braves have money.
    Can't use the excuse of having to worry about signing Acuna and Ozzie. So I can't wait to see what BS they come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacheaholic View Post
    Can't use the excuse of having to worry about signing Acuna and Ozzie. So I can't wait to see what BS they come up with.
    It will be some form of bull**** that is for sure.
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    Lol at the emotional dramatic takes from suicidal Braves fans.

    They aren’t signing Cole, and they aren’t dumping Freeman. Anyone suggesting such moves are incapable of rational thought, and their suggestions can be safely ignored.

    The plan for the off season should be:

    Offer JD a QO.

    Try to get Grandal on a 1-2 year high AAV deal.

    Sign the best 3b on a 1-2 year deal possible...perhaps JD, maybe Mous.

    Sign the best RHH OFer without a QO attached.

    Gather inexpensive BP arms to shuttle up and down between AAA/MLB.

    Look for impact players on 1-2 year contracts with limited surplus value so they can be acquired without giving up elite young talent in trade.

    Keep enough cash in reserve to make impact acquisitions as needed during the season.

    Build another 90 win team and take another shot at the postseason.
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    I thought Freeman had more than 2 years left on his deal. I thought it was like 5. Ignore my suggestion to trade him. If he had 5 years left, I'd shop him.

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    Question for Enscheff: In 2018 Camargo put up 3.7 WAR, still pre arb, Donaldson OTOH, injury past, getting older, started season slow, finished slow, 2019 WAR 6.1 Question is couldn't that money be better used filling other needs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacheaholic View Post
    Can we please finally #BanEnscheff? Dude is a giant douche and ruins every thread.
    He is just realistic!!

    Braves are not going to sign Cole and no one with a QO attach. We have Wright and Anderson waiting for a shot.

    We need to give time to our prospects to mature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Question for Enscheff: In 2018 Camargo put up 3.7 WAR, still pre arb, Donaldson OTOH, injury past, getting older, started season slow, finished slow, 2019 WAR 6.1 Question is couldn't that money be better used filling other needs?
    Welcome back, but unfortunately you'll have to wait a few hours for Enscheff to answer your question. He's on hiatus for the next few hours for being overly flirtatious.
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    Well hell, then can anyone else answer the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixiXSolidXixi View Post
    He is just realistic!!

    Braves are not going to sign Cole and no one with a QO attach. We have Wright and Anderson waiting for a shot.

    We need to give time to our prospects to mature.
    Which is all a sneaky way of saying...

    "We have a literal **** ton of cash but want to keep it for ourselves instead of making the team better."
    #BanEnscheff

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPawMaxwell View Post
    Question for Enscheff: In 2018 Camargo put up 3.7 WAR, still pre arb, Donaldson OTOH, injury past, getting older, started season slow, finished slow, 2019 WAR 6.1 Question is couldn't that money be better used filling other needs?
    Do you honestly believe Camargo is capable of approaching 3.7 WAR again?

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