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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Kill people. I agree. Let the great Purge begin.
    The concept of the purge is fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The concept of the purge is fascinating.
    what kind of purge are you thinking of
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    what kind of purge are you thinking of
    Libs
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Libs
    purge them from the medical or political system or both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    purge them from the medical or political system or both?
    The earth!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The earth!!!!
    what about communists...or do libs encompass commies
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This is just like preaching about education and we need to make massive overhauls when the real problem is most parents suck and dont care enough about their kids.

    It's not a government problem. It's an individual problem.
    Except that is a myth as well. Government absolutely has a massive affect on education. Sure, many parents need to make education more of a priority, but that is hardly the main or the only cause.

    The same is true for health care. Yes, we have more unhealthy people than other countries. Part of the reason for that, is people can't afford to go to the doctor, so they continue living their unhealthy lifestyle. The number 1 cause for bankruptcy in America is medical issues. That's a fact. And it has got to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Except that is a myth as well. Government absolutely has a massive affect on education. Sure, many parents need to make education more of a priority, but that is hardly the main or the only cause.

    The same is true for health care. Yes, we have more unhealthy people than other countries. Part of the reason for that, is people can't afford to go to the doctor, so they continue living their unhealthy lifestyle. The number 1 cause for bankruptcy in America is medical issues. That's a fact. And it has got to change.
    if we killed em they wouldn't go bankrupt
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I was a fantastic student with minimal effort.

    Actually going back to school now so fun times!
    But I was told higher education is useless and only serves to create liberals. This doesn't compute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    But I was told higher education is useless and only serves to create liberals. This doesn't compute.
    thethe overcame all that...that's what makes him special
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Except that is a myth as well. Government absolutely has a massive affect on education. Sure, many parents need to make education more of a priority, but that is hardly the main or the only cause.

    The same is true for health care. Yes, we have more unhealthy people than other countries. Part of the reason for that, is people can't afford to go to the doctor, so they continue living their unhealthy lifestyle. The number 1 cause for bankruptcy in America is medical issues. That's a fact. And it has got to change.

    Is health care a right? If joe blow can’t afford a doctor should we have to pay for it if he can’t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    But I was told higher education is useless and only serves to create liberals. This doesn't compute.
    I've been very clear in the past that accounting/finance/business/science/math/engineering are valid majors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Except that is a myth as well. Government absolutely has a massive affect on education. Sure, many parents need to make education more of a priority, but that is hardly the main or the only cause.

    The same is true for health care. Yes, we have more unhealthy people than other countries. Part of the reason for that, is people can't afford to go to the doctor, so they continue living their unhealthy lifestyle. The number 1 cause for bankruptcy in America is medical issues. That's a fact. And it has got to change.
    You are dead wrong about education. Please speak with some teachers in low income areas and ask how involved the parents are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Is health care a right? If joe blow can’t afford a doctor should we have to pay for it if he can’t?
    Where do rights come from? One theory is they are provided by some divine entity. Some of the founding fathers believed this.

    In modern society, the political system makes a determination about the safety net. We can call the things included in the safety net rights. Or we can call them benefits.

    To ask whether health care is a right is to engage in a game of semantics.

    I'll add that my initial post (and some subsequent ones) in this thread is not really about whether there should be some sort of universal healthcare system in this country. It is related to that question. But my point has to do with how the medical care establishment (including the AMA and doctors) have captured the system for their benefit. And that those of us who are supposed to be the customers in this system should not be satisfied with the medical care establishment running the system largely for its benefit as opposed to ours. Other countries have done a better job of setting up their medical care system to benefit the patients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I've been very clear in the past that accounting/finance/business/science/math/engineering are valid majors.
    what about logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    what about logic
    Math is the only logic you never need
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Math is the only logic you never need
    This may come as a surprise to you but logic is a branch of mathematics...one of the oldest. There have been some great mathematicians who have specialized in logic. Kurt Gödel to name one.
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    not a stretch saying math derived from logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Where do rights come from? One theory is they are provided by some divine entity. Some of the founding fathers believed this.

    In modern society, the political system makes a determination about the safety net. We can call the things included in the safety net rights. Or we can call them benefits.

    To ask where health care is a right is to engage in a game of semantics.

    I'll add that my initial post (and some subsequent ones) in this thread is not really about whether there should be some sort of universal healthcare system in this country. It is related to that question. But my point has to do with how the medical care establishment (including the AMA and doctors) have captured the system for their benefit. And that those of us who are supposed to be the customers in this system should not be satisfied with the medical care establishment running the system largely for its benefit as opposed to ours. Other countries have done a better job of setting up their medical care system to benefit the patients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    This may come as a surprise to you but logic is a branch of mathematics...one of the oldest. There have been some great mathematicians who have specialized in logic. Kurt Gödel to name one.
    Why would it be a surprise when I studied math for a large portion of my educational life?

    That is why I am adamant when I state lath is the only logic you'll ever need.

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