The Coronavirus, not the beer

[thethe]

Anti testing view of common sense testing view?

How much freak out did we have about TESTS when in reality spread is a good thing when done correctly.

Keep being wrong about everything though chump. Believe whatever the box tells you.

[nsacpi]

If cheap, easy, at home testing we’re widely available, it couldn’t have hurt. If I was able to test myself every couple of days knowing that if I had covid, there was a decent chance I wouldn’t be showing symptoms, I would’ve stayed home had I happened to test positive, avoiding spreading it to others.

Our dopey FDA didn’t approve these tests, still hasn’t approved many of them, now we’re 18-20 months into this and at home testing is way more expensive than it should be (if you’re able to even get them), while many places in Europe they’re widely available for a couple dollars a test. And BTW, these tests are made in America. And these companies still can’t sell them to Americans, because FDA.

Paul Romer has been banging the drum on the value of high frequency testing. He's the guy who helped me understand it's potential value. It is less important now that we have vaccines. But with breakthrough cases it is still a very useful tool to gain visibility into the course of the pandemic.

Romer's essay back in April 2020.

https://paulromer.net/roadmap-to-reopen-america/

[thethe]

No question the ideological breakdown of never vaxxers would be different had Trump won re-election. Biden, Harris, Cuomo, other high profile Dems all were sewing vaccine doubt because they didn’t want Trump to get a W before Election Day. But now we’re supposed to rip up those receipts and let them have their “follow the science” high ground.

It’s a racket only a chump would believe.

Enter nsacpi

[nsacpi]

Anti testing view of common sense testing view?

How much freak out did we have about TESTS when in reality spread is a good thing when done correctly.

Keep being wrong about everything though chump. Believe whatever the box tells you.

Jaw (and others) need to realize that this is the dominant strand of thinking with the 25% of Americans who are essentially pro-covid. They don't want vaccines, testing or masks because their policy of choice is essentially burn baby burn (some of you may recall Dr Scott Atlas and the role he played in the last administration, so it is not just internet randos like thethe and sturg who hold this view). And this viewpoint (and the massive amounts of deza that is disseminated on its behalf) has contributed to immense suffering and death in this country and elsewhere.

I know y'all get a little annoyed when I congratulate someone on their success in achieving "suicide by covid" or for making a "gallant try at natural immunity but falling just short" but surely this viewpoint deserves as much scorn as I can muster.

I will note just for ****s and giggles that the burn baby burn approach DOES have some ancillary benefits.

One in four hundred Americans has died of covid. In some quarters, it must be quite a bit higher. That moves the needle in a variety of ways. It is already a major demographic event.

[thethe]

Pro covid.

More like pro science.

I love that we have opposing views. That way I know I’m right.

[thethe]

“Natural immunity croc”

This chump tries to tell others they are wrong.
What a joke.

[thethe]

Literally the inventor of the pcr test said we should not have been using these tests the way they’ve been used.

The cdc admits the test can’t differentiate covid from regular flu

Anyone that thinks you test your way out of a pandemic by testing asymptomatic people with a test that has a high false positive rate is a ****ing idiot and they are lying straight to your face.

[thethe]

Remember at the test and trace lectures?

How’s that do?

[thethe]

But I’m sure the chump doesn’t care that the freak out on tests led to a year of lost learning and the fattening of our children.

Selfish prick

[Jaw]

Jaw (and others) need to realize that this is the dominant strand of thinking with the 25% of Americans who are essentially pro-covid. They don't want vaccines, testing or masks because their policy of choice is essentially burn baby burn (some of you may recall who Dr Scott Atlas is, so it is not just internet randos like thethe and sturg who hold this view). And this viewpoint (and the massive amounts of deza that is disseminated on its behalf) has contributed to immense suffering and death in this country and elsewhere.

I know y'all get a little annoyed when I congratulate someone on their success in achieving "suicide by covid" or for making a "gallant try at natural immunity but falling just short" but surely this viewpoint deserves as much scorn as I can muster.

I will note just for ****s and giggles that the burn baby burn approach DOES have some ancillary benefits.

We've had prominent politicians and "specialists" endorse every side of every possible question on Covid, often with the same specialists and politicians changing sides without data to support the new position.

If you want more people to trust the vaccine, you should be angry at the first people to cast doubts on it. You voted for them.

If you want more people to wear masks, you should be angry with Fauci for telling them not to. You idolize him.

If you want more voluntary testing, you should be disgusted with the CDC. Yet you get angry when their ever changing stances aren't treated as Gospel.

[thethe]

We sacrificed children for our seniors and people that made consistent bad life choices with their body.

That is really all you need to know.

I'm THRILLED to be on the side of our next generation.

[acesfull86]

Literally the inventor of the pcr test said we should not have been using these tests the way they’ve been used.

The cdc admits the test can’t differentiate covid from regular flu

Anyone that thinks you test your way out of a pandemic by testing asymptomatic people with a test that has a high false positive rate is a ****ing idiot and they are lying straight to your face.

There’s a distinction to be made between having cheap at home tests widely available so people can choose to use them or not vs compulsory testing run by the state to be allowed to go about your life. I’m very much for the former and very much against the latter. We couldn’t have the former because of the FDA.

[thethe]

There’s a distinction to be made between having cheap at home tests widely available so people can choose to use them or not vs compulsory testing run by the state to be allowed to go about your life. I’m very much for the former and very much against the latter. We couldn’t have the former because of the FDA.

If an individual wants to test then that is their decision and I encourage everyone to do what they think is best for themselves. Like you any mandated measure is something I am against. There is no testing out of a pandemic. The only way out his herd immunity. Its been that way since day 1.

Sweden says hello...

[acesfull86]

We've had prominent politicians and "specialists" endorse every side of every possible question on Covid, often with the same specialists and politicians changing sides without data to support the new position.

If you want more people to trust the vaccine, you should be angry at the first people to cast doubts on it. You voted for them.

If you want more people to wear masks, you should be angry with Fauci for telling them not to. You idolize him.

If you want more voluntary testing, you should be disgusted with the CDC. Yet you get angry when their ever changing stances aren't treated as Gospel.

The bare minimum we should expect from the government is to dispense good, reliable information during a public health emergency …and it’s failed spectacularly. This is the same government some folks want to play an ever more dominant role in our lives. Pretty sad.

[acesfull86]

If an individual wants to test then that is their decision and I encourage everyone to do what they think is best for themselves. Like you any mandated measure is something I am against. There is no testing out of a pandemic. The only way out his herd immunity. Its been that way since day 1.

Sweden says hello...

Yeah, I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just want the damn FDA to get off its ass so people have to option to make their own decisions. At home testing isn’t perfect, but there’s so little downside. If you choose to test yourself and you get a false positive, OK, you don’t go out for a few days where you otherwise would have. If you get a false negative, now you’re out there spreading covid, OK, that sucks, but you would’ve been in the same boat without the test (assuming youre asymptomatic in both instances).

This wasn’t a case where the FDA isn’t approving a drug that’s potentially harmful…there’s no safety risk to a nose swab test.

And no one seems to care. So few people are banging the drum that this should’ve been sped up. God forbid we question the sanctity of the FDA process. Businesses, travel, school, etc, we can shut that all down without debate of course.

[thethe]

Yeah, I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just want the damn FDA to get off its ass so people have to option to make their own decisions. At home testing isn’t perfect, but there’s so little downside. If you choose to test yourself and you get a false positive, OK, you don’t go out for a few days where you otherwise would have. If you get a false negative, now you’re out there spreading covid, OK, that sucks, but you would’ve been in the same boat without the test (assuming youre asymptomatic in both instances).

This wasn’t a case where the FDA isn’t approving a drug that’s potentially harmful…there’s no safety risk to a nose swab test.

And no one seems to care. So few people are banging the drum that this should’ve been sped up. God forbid we question the sanctity of the FDA process. Businesses, travel, school, etc, we can shut that all down without debate of course.

Aces - You know this whole thing hasn't been about public health from the beginning. Everyone knows what COVID is being used for right now.

[Jaw]

[nsacpi]

If an individual wants to test then that is their decision and I encourage everyone to do what they think is best for themselves. Like you any mandated measure is something I am against. There is no testing out of a pandemic. The only way out his herd immunity. Its been that way since day 1.

Sweden says hello...

Cases are rising in Sweden (in spite of all your claims for natural immunity). Same seasonal pattern as last year (in fact a bit more pronounced than last September probably due to delta). But they have a vaccination rate close to the New England states. For better or worse they will have an outcome this winter similar to the New England states. I'll go out on a limb and say cases will be quite high and deaths quite low this winter. In New England and Scandinavia.

[Jaw]

[thethe]

Cases are rising in Sweden (in spite of all your claims for that natural immunity). Same seasonal pattern as last year (in fact a bit more pronounced than last September probably due to delta). But they have a vaccination rate close to the New England states. For better or worse they will have an outcome this winter similar to the New England states.

Wait - CASES!!!

OMG. You still just don't get it.