The Coronavirus, not the beer

[thethe]

Finally, the biggest risk of long term danger in any treatment is from long term use of the treatment. It's the treatment causing a tiny, undetectable amount of damage each time it's administered. So over thousands of uses it all adds up to severe issues. Let's take your nightmare scenario and say the vaccine became something that's administered every 6 months for life. You're talking about on average 150-160 doses administered in a lifetime. That's not that many. If the vaccine caused a small, imperceptible amount of damage each time it was administered, then 150 shots likely wouldn't add up to much. If it's causing enough damage that 150 doses would be a serious risk, that's something that would be caught as a known side effect.

We know way more about this vaccine than you think we do.

The vaccines will lose effectiveness the more they are used.

[sturg33]

[thethe]

Majority are against this.

Its a vocal minority on the internet.

We will vote these authoritarian losers out of office.

[Tapate50]

Burt Davidson outing himself as a raging racist on twitter. Cancel?

[striker42]

The vaccines will lose effectiveness the more they are used.

The only way they lose effectiveness is if they are effective now. If they're trash they wont put pressure on the virus to mutate.

In fact, natural immunity will pressure the virus to mutate as well. Any immunity will favor virus mutations more resistant to the existing immunity.

[acesfull86]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-ille...nion_lead_pos1

This judicial smackdown is so overwhelming that it’s fair to conclude the Administration gave only passing thought to the law. It acted for political reasons, but even that has proven to be a mistake. The White House panicked amid the Afghanistan fiasco and Delta variant breakout, but it missed how resistant millions of people are to government orders regarding their health.

The mandates have increased political polarization, and they are becoming less popular as people see that the vaccines, while effective, do not prevent infection as well as we might have hoped. They are still worth getting, but it ought to be a personal choice. Mr. Biden chose the progressive default of coercion.

^ that.

[thethe]

The only way they lose effectiveness is if they are effective now. If they're trash they wont put pressure on the virus to mutate.

In fact, natural immunity will pressure the virus to mutate as well. Any immunity will favor virus mutations more resistant to the existing immunity.

The vaccines are trash because they are not providing the same impact as natural immunity. For a short period of time they are effective which is why at risk people should take them.

The reduction in impact of mass vaccination is widely documneted.

[thethe]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-ille...nion_lead_pos1

This judicial smackdown is so overwhelming that it’s fair to conclude the Administration gave only passing thought to the law. It acted for political reasons, but even that has proven to be a mistake. The White House panicked amid the Afghanistan fiasco and Delta variant breakout, but it missed how resistant millions of people are to government orders regarding their health.

The mandates have increased political polarization, and they are becoming less popular as people see that the vaccines, while effective, do not prevent infection as well as we might have hoped. They are still worth getting, but it ought to be a personal choice. Mr. Biden chose the progressive default of coercion.

^ that.

The amount of fascist dictates coming from this regime is frightening.

What is next?

[acesfull86]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lockdown-covid

Police in Austria have begun carrying out routine checks on commuters to ensure compliance with a nationwide “lockdown for the unvaccinated”, as the Alpine country tries to get on top of one of the most rapidly rising infection rates in Europe.

Those who are found to be in breach of the rules face fines between €500 and €3,600.

“It can happen any time and anywhere,” the interior minister, Karl Nehammer of the Austrian People’s party, said of the police checks. “Every citizen has to expect to be checked.”



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Not even sure what to say to that…

[acesfull86]

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-herd-immunity

The prospects for meeting a clear herd-immunity target are “very complicated,” said Dr. Jefferson Jones, a medical officer on the CDC’s COVID-19 Epidemiology Task Force.

“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines.

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.

The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

To Dr. Oliver Brooks, a member of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, it was a sobering new message, with potentially worrisome effects.

With just 58.5% of all Americans fully vaccinated, “we do need to increase” the uptake of COVID-19 shots, said Brooks, chief medical officer of Watts Healthcare in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, he said, Jones’ unexpected admission “almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.”

Brooks said he worries that as the CDC backs off a specific target for herd immunity, it will take the air out of efforts to run up vaccination levels.

And if public health officials stop talking about the “herd,” people may lose sight of the fact that vaccination is not just an act of personal protection but a way to protect the community.

A public tack away from the promise of herd immunity may also further undermine the CDC’s credibility when it comes to fighting the coronavirus.


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To the last couple of paragraphs, if the vaccines are really good at offering personal protection, but not effective at reducing community spread, then that should be the effing message. Stop with the mandates and start dealing in facts. The idea, to the last paragraph, that we need to continue to mislead the public to not further damage the CDC’s already flailing credibility should be insulting to everyone across the political spectrum. That’s where we’re at now in the pandemic? We need to subject people to mandates and a loss of freedom and continue a charade that serves to protect the CDC’s ****ty reputation?

[thethe]

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-herd-immunity

The prospects for meeting a clear herd-immunity target are “very complicated,” said Dr. Jefferson Jones, a medical officer on the CDC’s COVID-19 Epidemiology Task Force.

“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines.

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.

The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

To Dr. Oliver Brooks, a member of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, it was a sobering new message, with potentially worrisome effects.

With just 58.5% of all Americans fully vaccinated, “we do need to increase” the uptake of COVID-19 shots, said Brooks, chief medical officer of Watts Healthcare in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, he said, Jones’ unexpected admission “almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.”

Brooks said he worries that as the CDC backs off a specific target for herd immunity, it will take the air out of efforts to run up vaccination levels.

And if public health officials stop talking about the “herd,” people may lose sight of the fact that vaccination is not just an act of personal protection but a way to protect the community.

A public tack away from the promise of herd immunity may also further undermine the CDC’s credibility when it comes to fighting the coronavirus.


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To the last couple of paragraphs, if the vaccines are really good at offering personal protection, but not effective at reducing community spread, then that should be the effing message. Stop with the mandates and start dealing in facts. The idea, to the last paragraph, that we need to continue to mislead the public to not further damage the CDC’s already flailing credibility should be insulting to everyone across the political spectrum. That’s where we’re at now in the pandemic? We need to subject people to mandates and a loss of freedom and continue a charade that serves to protect the CDC’s ****ty reputation?

Some of us knew this about the vaccines long ago.

The litmus test is what news bubble you are you in. If you prefer MSNBC and the NYTimes you had absolutely no clue the vaccine doesn't prevent spread.

The mandates literally make zero sense.

[sturg33]

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-herd-immunity

The prospects for meeting a clear herd-immunity target are “very complicated,” said Dr. Jefferson Jones, a medical officer on the CDC’s COVID-19 Epidemiology Task Force.

“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines.

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.

The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

To Dr. Oliver Brooks, a member of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, it was a sobering new message, with potentially worrisome effects.

With just 58.5% of all Americans fully vaccinated, “we do need to increase” the uptake of COVID-19 shots, said Brooks, chief medical officer of Watts Healthcare in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, he said, Jones’ unexpected admission “almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.”

Brooks said he worries that as the CDC backs off a specific target for herd immunity, it will take the air out of efforts to run up vaccination levels.

And if public health officials stop talking about the “herd,” people may lose sight of the fact that vaccination is not just an act of personal protection but a way to protect the community.

A public tack away from the promise of herd immunity may also further undermine the CDC’s credibility when it comes to fighting the coronavirus.


——————

To the last couple of paragraphs, if the vaccines are really good at offering personal protection, but not effective at reducing community spread, then that should be the effing message. Stop with the mandates and start dealing in facts. The idea, to the last paragraph, that we need to continue to mislead the public to not further damage the CDC’s already flailing credibility should be insulting to everyone across the political spectrum. That’s where we’re at now in the pandemic? We need to subject people to mandates and a loss of freedom and continue a charade that serves to protect the CDC’s ****ty reputation?

It's truly unbelievable... that so many on the left are willing to sacrifice so much liberty for something that is clearly not working as we were promised it was. And worse, we are firing health care workers, and policemen, and fire fighters, and truck drivers (during an unprecedented supply chain crisis)... we are firing all these people while the business can't find staff already.

It's so insane that it has to be intentional

[sturg33]

Your two shots won't get you into a restaurant soon.

At what point will people say enough?

[thethe]

Your two shots won't get you into a restaurant soon.

At what point will people say enough?

Even people I consider reasonable are still making excuses for it.

[striker42]

The vaccines are trash because they are not providing the same impact as natural immunity. For a short period of time they are effective which is why at risk people should take them.

The reduction in impact of mass vaccination is widely documneted.

Just because natural immunity is superior doesn't make the vaccine bad. If you get the vaccine and don't get sick, the immunity from the vaccine has the same end as natural immunity. If you get the vaccine and still get sick, then you you've not been harmed as the vaccine makes it more likely you'll come through unscathed and then will have natural immunity.

The only way the vaccine would be bad is if there were negative effects. I've seen plenty, including you, allege that they mess with natural immunity or that there could be unknown long term effects but these are long on allegation and short on evidence.

The vaccine is a bullet proof vest. It's not perfect protection but it's better protection than nothing.

[thethe]

Just because natural immunity is superior doesn't make the vaccine bad. If you get the vaccine and don't get sick, the immunity from the vaccine has the same end as natural immunity. If you get the vaccine and still get sick, then you you've not been harmed as the vaccine makes it more likely you'll come through unscathed and then will have natural immunity.

The only way the vaccine would be bad is if there were negative effects. I've seen plenty, including you, allege that they mess with natural immunity or that there could be unknown long term effects but these are long on allegation and short on evidence.

The vaccine is a bullet proof vest. It's not perfect protection but it's better protection than nothing.

Studies are constructed to find desirable results. We already know that the scientific community is nothing but little mice that are looking for the donors teet.

Make fun of me all you want. Naturally occurring for the CCP virus destroyed trust for millions of us forever.

[thethe]

The northeast saw an increase in the 7 day average hospitalization rate of 13.6% this past week.

The southeast saw a decrease in the 7 day average hospitalization rate of 10.6% this past week.

I always knew the coward would disappear.

The vaccines are trash and healthy people should stop taking them immediately.

Lets get an update now that the CDC has released the past weeks metrics:


The northeast saw an increase in the 7 day average hospitalization rate of 17.0% this past week.

The southeast saw a decrease in the 7 day average hospitalization rate of 12.8% this past week.

Not only is the northeast seeing an increase in hospitalization but the rate at which their hospitalizations are growing in increasing. Second order derivative for any Math peeps still around. This is an even worse sign.

Funny thing is that its the same case in the Southeast in the OPPOSITE direction.

[thethe]

Hospitalizations in HHS regions 1 (New England) are up in the last 7 days while in region 4 (South) they are down big time and have been trending that way for weeks now.

Cases are up ALOT in region 1 as well overall so I'm not sure there is much room for the current hospitalization rate to decrease. If the vaccines are working then that hospitalization number won't take a huge hit. I hope it works out.

This was from 09/19

I guess that vaccines aren't working?

[thethe]

https://www.wcax.com/2021/11/12/are-...ovid-overload/

ICU beds in highly vaccinated Vermont in danger of overloading.

I'm sure the only people in the ICU are the dirty unvaxxed.....

[sturg33]

Its awesome to see the lecturing buffoon devolve into a scared little bitch.

He is still lurking on these threads, so I love that he is still seeing his miserable judgement and track record continue to stack.

I wonder if reality has hit him yet how useless his education and news sources are. It must suck spending your entire life thinking you are smart only to slowly realize what a buffoon you are