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    Cool. So where are the immunity walls that were promised?

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    The left has brought us back to segregation with mandates that clearly do nothing


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Without knowing the data I suspect blue states test a lot of healthy people a lot more frequently bc they are so obsessed with it.

    That would drive positive rate down
    But it would drive the number of cases per capita up, which is what is now being used against some of these states. Iím not saying anybody has the whole answer, but itís not always as simple as vaccines donít work because cases are up in highly vaccinated areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    The week of 11/07 (the most recent all of this data has been available), Vermont saw 2,582 confirmed Covid cases. Of those, 902 were fully vaccinated (the highest of any week) and 1,680 were not fully vaccinated (no data on partially vaccinated).

    452,450 people are vaccinated in Vermont and 171,539 are not fully vaccinated.

    So fully vaccinated people in Vermont contracted Covid the week of 11/07 at a rate of 199 per 100,000. Unvaccinated people in Vermont contracted Covid at a rate of 979 per 100,000.

    In other words, unvaccinated/partially vaccinated people are about 4.9 times as likely to contract Covid in Vermont as vaccinated people. Virtually the same stat we're seeing everywhere else.
    I'm aware that state health departments release data.

    What does fully vaccinated mean now and how much as you noted were right after their most recent vaccination is left to be determined.

    What we do know is that highly vaccinated countries/states are seeing massive spikes right now while places like India/Indonesia (with the caveat that medical tracking isn't advanced) are doing quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Has to be the unvaccinated people....Only reasonable answer.
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    When I was tested for covid (and had it in august), I, nor my wife was asked if we had vaccine. Do they ask this or is it just in a data base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    When I was tested for covid (and had it in august), I, nor my wife was asked if we had vaccine. Do they ask this or is it just in a data base?
    I doubt they have data analysts cross checking and ensuring the data integrity for different names as presented on various databases.

    Its all guesswork and incentivized to say that vaccinated people are protected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    There's some dispute about those numbers. New Hampshire has admitted that their vaccination data is inaccurate. The NH Health and Human services director has stated that a lot of boosters in NH have been inaccurately tracked as first doses. If you look at the data there's an oddly large gap between partially and fully vaccinated (85% at least partially vaccinated and 64% fully vaccinated).

    https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2021-11...ata-inaccurate

    Basically New Hampshire really screwed up the vaccine reporting system in their state.

    I agree that vaccine passports make very little sense, especially with Delta, but New Hampshire isn't a great example to use because of it's horrible data. Most states have done much better.

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    I’m not sure what was dumber. Natural immunity croc or the fact obesity isn’t the principal driver for bad outcomes.

    What an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't care what Faucci says. I'm perfectly capable of making decisions myself. Ive known healthy people who died of Covid. I've not known anyone that has had a reaction to the vaccine that's more than feeling lousy for a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Read that article. It might be the worst thing I've read in years. It's bad.

    This isn't based on any kind of research into medical cases or anything like that. The entire article is based on a poll.

    Then there's the definition of "severe reaction" is that they experienced complications that prevented daily activity. First, that's a very vague description that different people will interpret differently.

    Second, if you feel bad for a day after getting the shot and take a day off work, you might easily say it prevented daily activities.

    It's not that reactions are underreported, it's that this guy's definition of a severe reaction is way different than the medical definition. According to this guy's definition you'd probably see a similar percentage report "severe reactions" to the flu shot.

    The fact that you're trumpeting this is pretty good evidence there's no real support for your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Read that article. It might be the worst thing I've read in years. It's bad.

    This isn't based on any kind of research into medical cases or anything like that. The entire article is based on a poll.

    Then there's the definition of "severe reaction" is that they experienced complications that prevented daily activity. First, that's a very vague description that different people will interpret differently.

    Second, if you feel bad for a day after getting the shot and take a day off work, you might easily say it prevented daily activities.

    It's not that reactions are underreported, it's that this guy's definition of a severe reaction is way different than the medical definition. According to this guy's definition you'd probably see a similar percentage report "severe reactions" to the flu shot.

    The fact that you're trumpeting this is pretty good evidence there's no real support for your position.
    Yes, you are relying on institutions that have lied to us since the beginning of the pandemic to realize what is happening as oppose to voices of people and other databases like VAERS. When are we going to get the studies that Pfizer had to get the vaccine approved again? No suspicion at all? I have no issues with you and clearly you are a reasonable person so I want to step back because I shouldn't be attacking you. I think for the most part we are aligned on the way to live.

    As time moves on more of this is coming to the forefront as I've said since the beginning of this asinine vaccination program/push.

    Its only going to get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    I don't care what Faucci says. I'm perfectly capable of making decisions myself. Ive known healthy people who died of Covid. I've not known anyone that has had a reaction to the vaccine that's more than feeling lousy for a day.
    I mean there are plenty of stories of healthy people dying shortly after vaccination in addition to debilitating nerve damange as well as strokes. Its happening striker. Not sure why you are denying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I mean there are plenty of stories of healthy people dying shortly after vaccination in addition to debilitating nerve damange as well as strokes. Its happening striker. Not sure why you are denying.
    There are absolutely people who have died from the vaccines. This is of course true with any vaccine. The biggest risk of death seems to be from blood clots from the JJ vaccine (not an mRNA vaccine).

    However, the risk of death from the vaccine is far less for adults than is the risk of death from Covid. I'm less convinced about kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wow, really? You're dissing striker now? Seriously?

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