The Coronavirus, not the beer

[Metaphysicist]

Don't let the media steer you wrong

This is great advice. Please apply it to the media you also consume.

You repeatedly post from this Berenson guy who is a confirmed liar on this topic.

[Metaphysicist]

Some horrific death numbers being reported today.

Big jumps in CT, NJ, PA, GA, LA, IL, IN, MI, NY

Yeah, the death totals are pretty slow coming in, too. People were talking about NYC plateauing over the weekend when the death total for 3/31 was ~150. That number has now doubled to over 300. You can't take the daily counts seriously for at least a week at this point.

[Metaphysicist]

Looks like we have our answer here.

Do I not count? I disclaimed this story. I feel so unseen.

[sturg33]

This is great advice. Please apply it to the media you also consume.

You repeatedly post from this Berenson guy who is a confirmed liar on this topic.

Why is Berenson discredited on this specific topic.

I think its dangerous to immediately dismiss any voice that is skeptical. But I'm open to hear why he is a problem

[sturg33]

Do I not count? I disclaimed this story. I feel so unseen.

I dont recall you ever pushing the story as the next big OMB scandal. Goldy, Zito, Sav come to mind. They've been silent.

I find you to be extremely reasonable and argue in good faith

[thethe]

It was always inevitable.

A) Doctors: "Numbers might be X."
B) Dumb Person: "Numbers will never be X. Doctors can't do math."
C) Numbers pass X.
D) *everyone stares at dumb person*
E) Dumb Person: "Math is lies"

It's the ciiiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiife*

*Death.

I said that at 415.

Dr. Brix confimed it at the task force conference.

[Metaphysicist]

Berenson is the one who started the outright fabrication that the Imperial College model changed. You've repeated this exact falsehood in this thread, possible picking it up yourself directly from Berenson. He then refused to back down when even Ferguson, the author of the model, explained public how nothing had changed.

Financial Times had a good run down:

Let’s flatten the coronavirus confusion curve

This might be behind a paywall, so here's a mirror: (link)

[goldfly]

why would i apologize for that story?


that he doesn't have a big enough financial stake in that business in your opinion?

[sturg33]

why would i apologize for that story?


that he doesn't have a big enough financial stake in that business in your opinion?

Do you know what a mutual fund is?

If you think Trump is gonna get rich from his $300 stake in Sanofi then you're somehow dumber than I thought

[goldfly]

yes

no i don't

but i do think he would still promote something he has his hand in

no matter how minimal the cost

[sturg33]

Berenson is the one who started the outright fabrication that the Imperial College model changed. You've repeated this exact falsehood in this thread, possible picking it up yourself directly from Berenson. He then refused to back down when even Ferguson, the author of the model, explained public how nothing had changed.

Financial Times had a good run down:

Let’s flatten the coronavirus confusion curve

This might be behind a paywall, so here's a mirror: (link)

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure where I heard the IC model changing. Could have been Berenson.

Regardless, I'm drawn to his analysis on the consistent (good) news with the shortcomings of the IHME, as well as the over capacity of beds and and now seemingly ventilator. He is telling a side of the story the mainstream media is not. I'm sure he is cherry picking some, but what is he saying that is in and of itself, wrong?

[goldfly]

i really don't give a **** about that right now


literately just shed a tear to the news of John Prine


the virus took him

[sturg33]

yes

no i don't

but i do think he would still promote something he has his hand in

no matter how minimal the cost

I mean... this is just trying to find a controversy where there ain't one.

It's not helpful to anti-Trump crusade.

A lot of boy who cried wolf syndrome

Stick to what matters. Not fake scandals

[Metaphysicist]

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure where I heard the IC model changing. Could have been Berenson.

Regardless, I'm drawn to his analysis on the consistent (good) news with the shortcomings of the IHME, as well as the over capacity of beds and and now seemingly ventilator. He is telling a side of the story the mainstream media is not. I'm sure he is cherry picking some, but what is he saying that is in and of itself, wrong?

I mean, literally you are yelling at people in this thread about believing biased media while re-posting from a confirmed biased media source. You can pick one, but you can't have both.

[sturg33]

I mean, literally you are yelling at people in this thread about believing biased media while re-posting from a confirmed biased media source. You can pick one, but you can't have both.

I'm yelling at people for false media. Berenson analysis on this seems quite solid from my vantage point. If it is definitively wrong, can you show me where?

[The Chosen One]

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure where I heard the IC model changing. Could have been Berenson.

Regardless, I'm drawn to his analysis on the consistent (good) news with the shortcomings of the IHME, as well as the over capacity of beds and and now seemingly ventilator. He is telling a side of the story the mainstream media is not. I'm sure he is cherrypicking some, but what is he saying that is in and of itself, wrong?

CNN has an article right on the homepage the other day that was headlined and said only 20 hospital beds were used on the naval ship that docked into the Hudson. And how they had not begun to use all the needed ventilators yet.

[Metaphysicist]

I'm yelling at people for false media. Berenson analysis on this seems quite solid from my vantage point. If it is definitively wrong, can you show me where?

I mean... I just linked you an example... that you repeated in this thread... and never responded to when called on it...

[Metaphysicist]

For sturg's benefit, I read some of that guy's twitter. He is a complete troll. Jesus, if you consider that analysis...

The main problem with everything he is saying is that his fundamental premise:

"WE TANKED THE ECONOMY FOR THISS??????"

Is incredibly stupid. No. We tanked to economy to avoid a much worse outcome. Everything else I'm reading on his timeline is based on a fundamental failure to grasp this basic idea.

This is, unsurprisingly, very similar to the dumb lie he told about the IC model.

[goldfly]

man

i'm about to get ripped tonight and listen to a lot of Prine

****

[sturg33]

I mean... I just linked you an example... that you repeated in this thread... and never responded to when called on it...

I'm referring to the data I just mentioned above.

Number of hospitalization compared to IHME model. Number of icu beds compared to it. Number of deaths. Lack of available beds and ventilators.

That is what I follow him for. The daily updates.
Are his updates wrong?