The Coronavirus, not the beer

[thethe]

What exactly was your plan of keeping this out of nursing homes in your great Swiss model? Are doctors and nurses not allowed to ever leave in this scenario? If half the nation gets this virus, there would be no keeping it out of nursing homes.

For starters you dont put infected patients there.

Then you test medical workers daily.

[Carp]

Now adjust per 1m

Then adjust for how much immunity has been built.

Then adjust by the economic damage incurred.

Then adjust for the social/mental damages incurred

Swiss still had like twice as many as the next closest country among their neighbors even when adjusting for per million. Try again.

[thethe]

What exactly is the financial toll vs the loss of human life? The current plan isn't exactly preventing them from an economic downturn.

It's a difficult question to answer. That i agree with you 100%

[Carp]

For starters you dont put infected patients there.

Then you test medical workers daily.

Because we had SOOOO many tests when this whole crisis started.

You realize Sweden is seeing a bunch of deaths in their nursing homes right?

[thethe]

Swiss still had like twice as many as the next closest country among their neighbors even when adjusting for per million. Try again.

I'm well aware of this Carp. You dont think I'm checking these numbers frequentl

Zitos post was stupid and shows a continue lack of understanding that is consistent with all of his posts pertaining to matters outside of sports and star wars.

[sturg33]

For starters you dont put infected patients there.

Then you test medical workers daily.

Wanna hear something crazy?

My lady is in NY... two of her co doctors are positive... but they are still told to work.

Ny lady got tested, was negative, but was still going to work.

So to be clear, healthy people cant go to church, but positive doctors are allowed to work on sick and elderly patients

[sturg33]

I'm well aware of this Carp. You dont think I'm checking these numbers frequentl

Zitos post was stupid and shows a continue lack of understanding that is consistent with all of his posts pertaining to matters outside of sports and star wars.

His star wars takes are sadly worse

[thethe]

Because we had SOOOO many tests when this whole crisis started.

You realize Sweden is seeing a bunch of deaths in their nursing homes right?

Of course just like every nation. Deaths per million in NYC is astronomical though for obvious reasons.

We did have tests Carp early. They were specifically left to medical workers though.

[thethe]

Wanna hear something crazy?

My lady is in NY... two of her co doctors are positive... but they are still told to work.

Ny lady got tested, was negative, but was still going to work.

So to be clear, healthy people cant go to church, but positive doctors are allowed to work on sick and elderly patients

We managed this crisis so poorly. The IFR with reasonable policies would be .1% easy.

[The Chosen One]

Wanna hear something crazy?

My lady is in NY... two of her co doctors are positive... but they are still told to work.

Ny lady got tested, was negative, but was still going to work.

So to be clear, healthy people cant go to church, but positive doctors are allowed to work on sick and elderly patients

Are the positive doctors only treating covid patients? Or are they going into the clinic to help someone with a broken ankle?

I don't think a sick COVID patient could get twice as sick from having a doctor positive with COVID treating them?

[The Chosen One]

Of course just like every nation. Deaths per million in NYC is astronomical though for obvious reasons.

We did have tests Carp early. They were specifically left to medical workers though.

You're saying this as if it's entirely a bad thing.

Hey you medical workers, you gotta treat people coming in with this highly infectious and contagious disease... we don't have enough PPE equipment to keep you as safe as possible, but the best we can do is keep tests for you so we know how bad this is spreading around the 6th floor.

Seems reasonable to me.

[sturg33]

Are the positive doctors only treating covid patients? Or are they going into the clinic to help someone with a broken ankle?

I don't think a sick COVID patient could get twice as sick from having a doctor positive with COVID treating them?

No they are treating VA patients

[thethe]

You're saying this as if it's entirely a bad thing.

Hey you medical workers, you gotta treat people coming in with this highly infectious and contagious disease... we don't have enough PPE equipment to keep you as safe as possible, but the best we can do is keep tests for you so we know how bad this is spreading around the 6th floor.

Seems reasonable to me.

I'm actually not. It made perfect sense and I support it.

[nsacpi]

What exactly is the financial toll vs the loss of human life? The current plan isn't exactly preventing them from an economic downturn.

Sweden will have a downturn but presumably less than its neighbors. At the end of the day we will be able to compare loss of life per $ of lost GDP. It's an interesting calculation to make.

Germany is going to come off looking good because it has both low fatalities and low economic disruption.

[Metaphysicist]

Wanna hear something crazy?

My lady is in NY... two of her co doctors are positive... but they are still told to work.

Ny lady got tested, was negative, but was still going to work.

So to be clear, healthy people cant go to church, but positive doctors are allowed to work on sick and elderly patients

I think those doctors are also not supposed to be allowed to do that...? Would love more details on this.

[nsacpi]

To me testing is a cost efficient way to avoid this awful choice between economic disaster and loss of life. Not completely avoid it but make it less awful.

[sturg33]

I think those doctors are also not supposed to be allowed to do that...? Would love more details on this.

It's the weirdest thing.

They take the test, which takes 1 or 2 days to get results. They are not allowed to work while they wait for the results.

But, once they get results, they are allowed to work! But they are not mandated to, they have the option.

I have no idea if that is against the rules but that is what she reported to me.

Another thing that makes no sense.

She visited me last week in the mountains. She didnt want to drive bc she was worried about being pulled over with NY plates. But she flew (she said 3 people on plane).

So the state doesnt want people driving alone in their car out of NY (bc they presumably could have virus)...but they are allowed to fly?

Again, all the rules seem so stupid and illogical

[The Chosen One]

It's the weirdest thing.

They take the test, which takes 1 or 2 days to get results. They are not allowed to work while they wait for the results.

But, once they get results, they are allowed to work! But they are not mandated to, they have the option.

I have no idea if that is against the rules but that is what she reported to me.

Another thing that makes no sense.

She visited me last week in the mountains. She didnt want to drive bc she was worried about being pulled over with NY plates. But she flew (she said 3 people on plane).

So the state doesnt want people driving alone in their car out of NY (bc they presumably could have virus)...but they are allowed to fly?

Again, all the rules seem so stupid and illogical

There has been an influx of NY license plates in Savannah in the last month.

[nsacpi]

I think those doctors are also not supposed to be allowed to do that...? Would love more details on this.

I think hospitals in NY and other hard hit areas have been asking medical workers who test positive to keep on working as long as they feel they can. Not 100% sure about this. But I think medical workers and their supervisors have discretion on this.

[Metaphysicist]

Well, I don't love that.